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Ive been hearing a lot of talk about Frye from Bobcats fans...I think he would be an even better fit than CV. Im pritty sure that if the Bobcats throw anough money on the table for him that Portland probably would try to match the deal...best case for the cats would be to aquire Frye without tradeing anyone...Does anyone think MJ and Cats management can get it done?

Frye is under contract and not a restricted free agent. It would take a trade to get him. I'd love to have him on this team.

trade checker 4759034--channing frye and sergio rodrigze outgoing portland for morrision incoming from charlotte works ,but Even though this gives us 3rd point guard and power forward, I'm not sure we couldn't get more for our previous #3 draft pick later in season. I think charlie v would be better value, but if no other trade for anything better is available before october either one of these would be better than nothing. Unfortunately, based on whats happened up to now I think Larry Brown is thinking we might make a better trade later based on how current roster looks in November/December????

Can't imagine the Blazers trading him just yet. I wouldn't mind trading for him though. But hes not a difference maker in my mind. But he might be a slight upgrade.

I've been thinking about it and for me, our PF situation all comes down to Daivdson in the near future and then Ajnica long term.

If Davidson can actually prove that he is an NBA player, hit that mid range pick and pop, develop a drop step or a baby hook so he has a go to post move if needed, help on the boards (which means he'd need to bulk up, play more physically and not be scared of contact), provide around 12/8 a game with a block and a steal on 48-50% shooting from the floor and around 75% from the line then there would be no need for Frye. The main thing I would like to see from Davidson would be boxing out to allow EO50 an easier time on the boards and so that we don't give so many boards up to the opposition.

Bottom line: I like Frye, but we might already have the same thing in Davidson. So why give up pieces to get him?

I don't add McMay as a part of the equation at the moment. No point. He hasn't proven to be able to stay healthy so anything we get out of him would be a bonus. In saying that, even if he was 100% healthy and never had the knee issues, I wouldn't count on him as a starter any way. I've said it from the start - I don't think that he has the body type or endurance to log big, meaningful mins (say 35+ a game). Nothing wrong with that. I see him as being a great player off the bench who, along with DJ, Hammer, Dude, Ammo and Nazzy would give us GREAT depth.

End of the day, for me, unless it's a guy like Boozer coming back who we KNOW will add around 20/10 a night and make those around him better, then I think I would rather stay put than give up something of value to bring in an "ok" PF like Frye or CV.

Between SEC basketball and the NBDL last year I've seen Davidson play a great deal and I'm a big believer....

He already has a nice 15 ft Jump-Shot and looks very comfortable with the ball in his hands. I think Offensively he is ready for the NBA right now. The problem is of course Defense/Rebounding. He has NO feel for blocking out or playing 1-on-1 defense. I think he is typical of young guys who have always been 1000x the athlete of everyone else on the floor there whole life not really needing to know this stuff.

He seems to have the effort level anyway, hopefully he can learn. It's really not so difficult a thing to pick up.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Slam as far as what WILL be done. Heavy doses of Davidson now, and many prayers that Ajinca does well with his apprenticeship in the D.

Let me point out something that we haven't discussed yet. Has anyone looked at the projected power forwards "supposedly" coming out in '09? One name at the top of the draft right now, and not much more. Assuming we make the playoffs and ship the pick to the Nuggets, it doesn't matter. But if we miss... uh oh! The pickins are not deep. Based on this, if we don't trade before training camp, and if we don't win the lottery, we absolutely HAVE to make a trade during the season. And if it requires a core piece of our puzzle, it does (excepting Emeka and Swish). I wish it didn't have to be, but the alternative is NO playoffs, A BIG hole in our lineup this year AND NEXT YEAR, and we are still talking the same ol' same ol' this time next year ( and why the front office hasn't fixed the problem).

Or... Larry Brown gets a sniff of what he's faced with in training camp, and has someone in house giving Power Forward skills lessons to Davidson, McMay, Ajinca, and possibly Dudley. And hope that in at least two cases that it takes!

Claw on, guys!

The pickings are slim. Im ready to put Wallace on the trading block and see if we get any nice offers . We are over loaded at the wing but have very little value thair except Wallace and Swish.
I think Frye is a perfect fit for LB s system . But i don't think Ammo could get him .
Im thinking it's going to take Wallace. Im at the point im willing to try and make a deal with Wallace to Portland.
Wallacw OUT
Frye , Outlaw, and Rodreguz in. We become much deeper and pick up a starting power foward.
Felton. DJ, Rodreguz
Swish, Carroll Morrison
Outlaw, Swish , Dudley Morrison
Frye, McMay, Davidson Jinx,
Mek, Nazz, Hollins.
We lose Wallace but become a much better team. thoughts

My personal preference would be a trade for Boozer at Utah, but two starting quality players for Wallace? To me, that's decent value. I could consider that combination. Not that I'm ready to give up the dream of having Carlos Boozer anchoring our frontcourt for years to come just yet.

Claw ON!

Dav7z wrote:The pickings are slim. Im ready to put Wallace on the trading block and see if we get any nice offers . We are over loaded at the wing but have very little value thair except Wallace and Swish.
I think Frye is a perfect fit for LB s system . But i don't think Ammo could get him .
Im thinking it's going to take Wallace. Im at the point im willing to try and make a deal with Wallace to Portland.
We lose Wallace but become a much better team. thoughts

I would also approve of the trade mentioned for Wallace, but I suspect Portland would not give up so many pieces for him. Press reports indicate they are wanting a PG and dangling Outlaw. What if we gave up the following (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4761054):

Felton, May = Frye, Outlaw, Rodriguez

We get a starting PF and SF, plus a reserve PG to help behind our rookie DJ (or go out and aquire a FA). Yes we lose Felts but seriously, can anyone see us signing Felts to BIG money in the next 2 years with DJ?

I admit this is a shoot from the hip reaction, as I do not see us trading Felts, nor anyone accepting May. My preference is still to deal Ammo for Frye and Rodriguez but that's not heppening while they're needing a PG. I think Portland wants a starting quality PG to direct the show and let Bayless be the super-sub at the 1 and the 2.

e4Nf6 wrote:Between SEC basketball and the NBDL last year I've seen Davidson play a great deal and I'm a big believer....

The problem is of course Defense/Rebounding. He has NO feel for blocking out or playing 1-on-1 defense. I think he is typical of young guys who have always been 1000x the athlete of everyone else on the floor there whole life not really needing to know this stuff.

He seems to have the effort level anyway, hopefully he can learn. It's really not so difficult a thing to pick up.

I disagree about rebounding, and to some degree, defense. Yes you can improve those skills but both of those qualities draw on measures of one's personality and attitude. You can no more take Ajinca and tunr him into a rebounding machine than you can take Dennis Rodman and make him a deadly 3 point shooter. But it's even more pronounced with defense and especially rebounding. Rebounding takes a level of desire, burn and drive, much like the qualities needed to play linebacker in football. I don't see those qualities or capabilities in Davidson. They were deficiencies that led him to being picked in the 2nd round and will keep him a deep reserve (at best) in the NBA.

It's an interesting question.....

To be honest I don't know enough about Jermareo personally to know if he is the type of guy to work hard on the flaws in his game.

You know what happens when a guy like Jermareo doesn't block somebody out in college/highscool? Nothing....He gets the rebound anyway because he's taller and jumps higher.

You know what happens when guys like Jermareo get beat by their man 1-on-1 in College/Highschool? Nothing.... He'll catch up and block the shot anyway.

To me there are two types of guys that don't Rebound/Play Defense:

1. Guys that don't care
2. Guys that don't know how

I don't know which one Davidson is, but I know which one is easier to fix.

Sorry Bassman, But I agree with Dav7 on this one.. I really like his line up and gives us deep backup.All 3 players coming from Portland will Balance our team and contribute. We get good value for wallace and fill our Roster. We cannot trade Felton Right now Without DJ having at least 2-3 months season exp under his belt and even then I'm not sure we should trade him.. This is Feltons contract year. Dav7--good job--Maybe Bobs Reading tonight..????

Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade Felton either. Just reading the tea leaves in Portland. But now the Blazers went out and signed Luke Jackson to a contract. Yes Luke Jackson, the former lottery pick SF who has skills but has never quite caught on in the league (played some in Miami last season). Doesn't mean he's going to play any key role but it makes it more difficult to envision a deal that brings in Wallace. UNLESS, they know ther are getting Wallace in the deal mentioned above and need a reserve after losing Outlaw!!!

Actually it's more likely they are going to complete the rumored trade with Memphis (Outlaw for one of their PG's) and need the depth back at SF. Shame we couldn't have pulled off an Ammo for Frye type deal instead!

Blazer fan,

Frye is valued pretty highly on the Blazers. Przybilla has a history of injuries and Oden hasn't played a game yet. Aldridge is our starting PF and that leaves Frye as our only other legit big man. If Frye goes out we could be very, very, very thin at PF/C.

I'm not sure how well Wallace would fit into our system either in terms of spreading the floor. He simply is a pretty piss poor shooter. The only place he shoots a dignified percentage is from the rim. Hes obviously athletic and a good defender but he also has an injury history of his own. A player like Tayshaun Prince or Danny Granger fits much better. Even Martell and Travis are better fits on Portland then Wallace is in terms of skill sets. Just my opinion.

2008 TS%s

Gerald Wallace : 54.7

Prince: 51.6
Granger: 57.1
Outlaw: 49.9
Webster 54.8

Nearly identical with Webster and inferior to only Danny Granger.

Portland fan what i can't understand is your need for a point guard. You have four points inked all ready. Francis,Blake, Bayless, Rodriguez. You have four s/gs inked
And have eight wings and centers inked . Not counting thr three guys inked yesterday .
Thats 17 players under contract. Weather it's for Wallace or another very good S/F that would be your best move to get to 15 players and add nice fire power at the same time.
Lafentz,, Miles,, Przybilla ,Olden, Lma,,Diogu, Outlaw, Frye,
With that many bigs and four points anf four s/gs it only makes sence to try to add another quility S/F
As for Slams post i would agree . But Slam and i both know it will take years for Davidson to get to that point if he ever does? Dudley has a better chance playing a undersized P/F . He has a noze for the ball and plays a lot more physical than Davidson. Fact is we have NOTHING at the P/F spot except McMAY and we waiting on the season to start with all our hopes and dreams in him. He has not delivered so far so i have no reason to belive he will deliver this time. Facts are we need a P/F someone better than Harrington was last year thats not asking for much. Its time for management to make a move through a trade or useing our MLE to at least make us ligit at that position.