Bobcats Fans Fantasy Basketball League

SamBone · Post #1 » by **SamBone** » Thu Oct 2, 2008 10:07 pm

I have set up a yahoo fantasy basketball league for us again. Same rules as last year, hope everone joins, it has been fun in the past! The league is on yahoo and our league id is 41815, password is 12345

Post #2 » by **fatlever** » Thu Oct 2, 2008 11:51 pm

i'll play under one condition... can we make it a head to head league. i think that would make things a lot more interesting especially later in the year. also, last year's league did not have a max number of games played which was a problem... but of course that wouldnt be an issue in a head to head league. thoughts?

Felton for Pres · Post #3 » by **Felton for Pres** » Fri Oct 3, 2008 1:41 am

can you please provide the league settings/scoring system?

SamBone · Post #4 » by **SamBone** » Fri Oct 3, 2008 12:38 pm

The league is set up for head to head.

SamBone · Post #5 » by **SamBone** » Fri Oct 3, 2008 12:49 pm

I set it up for head to head using points, rebounds, assists, 3pt made, Field goal percentage, steals, and blocks. Any suggestions, let me know

Post #6 » by **Paydro70** » Fri Oct 3, 2008 9:47 pm

Just joined.

I have some recommendations.
1) Categories are fine, except that FT% seems to me like a mandatory addition.
2) I like head-to-head, but I hope you can set it to weekly instead of daily. Otherwise it gets kinda ridiculous having to go through every single day swapping in and out players.
3) Very strange positions for this league... G,G,G, F,F,F, C, UTL? Why not the normal ones, PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, UTL? Not that big a deal, except that I do think you should have the option to start two Cs... can you do "FC" in yahoo?

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 3, 2008 10:28 pm

i agree w/ paydro. weekly is the way to go. daily is insane.

same w/ positions.

Post #8 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:08 am

I thought I would bump this, because there are only 7 people in the league right now. I might have some buddies that will join up, but it really ought to be RealGMers.

However... there's still no change to the positions, or the daily scoring, or the strange lack of FT%.

Post #9 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:49 pm

let me know if the settings get changed.... until then, i will sit on the sidelines.

SteveMorrison15 · Post #10 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:26 pm

i would join, but the link isn't working for me.

Sledge · Post #11 » by **Sledge** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:25 pm

Joined up!

_tijo_ · Post #12 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:10 pm

Just joined up... I think we got 9

amcoolio · Post #13 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:20 pm

If you read Bill Simmons article on fantasy basketball, you will get my stance. It makes no sense that FT% counts as much as points and rebounds. I wish they would make it more like the NFL. Games week-to-week head-to-head, and the score is finialized every Sunday after the last game has been played on Sunday. You get a score from each player based on their PPG, RPG, APG, etc. for that week. So if LeBron averaged 27 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 1 block, you'd get (54+16+10+3+1) = 84 points from LeBron for that week for your team. Then you get points from your starting PG, SG, PF, C, and three utility players. Say you end up with 198 points. Your opponent ends up with 192. You win the week, you are 1-0. Then after 18 or 19 weeks (however many there are in an NBA season), you determine the playoff seedings, and go from there. Like the NFL.

I'd play that system. That would be fun.

Post #14 » by **Paydro70** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:54 am

This is pretty off-topic for the bball league, which apparently isn't getting changed period until Sambone pays some attention, but I want to weigh in on it anyway.

The system you suggest wouldn't work very well, amcoolio, because points would be so overwhelmingly important that guys like Jamal Crawford or Michael Redd would be just as over-valued by fantasy as guys like AK or Marion are now. There actually are "point" leagues, but they weight the stats so that blocks are worth like 5 points, rebounds 2, etc. That's more reasonable, but I don't see the appeal... in football, it makes sense to have everything be worth "points," because there's only two things you do: get yards and get touchdowns. In basketball, though, there are lots of ways to contribute (passing, rebounding, stealing, blocking, scoring) and they aren't really related to one another. To me, it makes more sense to try to win at several different categories of play than to try and lump everything together into one flat number of "goodness," when really you have no idea how many "points" a block is worth.

The argument to exclude the "rate" stats makes some sense (since everything else is a quantity), but I think it's better to have some nod to efficiency than to abandon it entirely to the TMac's and Gilbert Arenases of the world.

On a side note, I think Simmons is very silly for suggesting that it's bad that some players are more valuable in fantasy than they are in real life. In football, lots of players are way more important in fantasy than real life. An RB like Tim Hightower, for example, is completely expendable in real life, but since he scores TDs, he's a fantasy stud.

If real value were the goal, then fantasy football would be based on DYAR (www.footballoutsiders.com), and fantasy basketball would be based on some kind of cumulative adjusted +/- or maybe PER/minute.

Post #15 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:55 am

Also, FT%/FG%/TOs are generally included similarly to how fumbles/interceptions are included in fantasy football.

pballa · Post #16 » by **pballa** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:31 am

Paydro70 wrote:Just joined.

I have some recommendations.
1) Categories are fine, except that FT% seems to me like a mandatory addition.
2) I like head-to-head, but I hope you can set it to weekly instead of daily. Otherwise it gets kinda ridiculous having to go through every single day swapping in and out players.
3) Very strange positions for this league... G,G,G, F,F,F, C, UTL? Why not the normal ones, PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, UTL? Not that big a deal, except that I do think you should have the option to start two Cs... can you do "FC" in yahoo?

can you explain weekly/daily?

the only fantasy h2h i've played is your totals getting added up for the week but you still have to manually swap your players out every day of the week. is that weekly or daily h2h then? i never knew there was a diff so i want some clarification basically.

SteveMorrison15 · Post #17 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:04 am

i'm in. Draft Night is the same day as our TNT game against the Lakers.

Post #18 » by **Paydro70** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:15 pm

Pballa: what you describe is "daily." What I'm talking about, that you can set it to do on ESPN and NBA.com (not sure about Yahoo, but I would guess you can) is that you pick your starters for the week, and then it's totaled up. This means you might swap in and out players based on how many games they have (Rashard Lewis for two or Raja Bell for four?), but you don't have to manually do every single day's roster.

I wish Sambone would come back....

pballa · Post #19 » by **pballa** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:00 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Pballa: what you describe is "daily." What I'm talking about, that you can set it to do on ESPN and NBA.com (not sure about Yahoo, but I would guess you can) is that you pick your starters for the week, and then it's totaled up. This means you might swap in and out players based on how many games they have (Rashard Lewis for two or Raja Bell for four?), but you don't have to manually do every single day's roster.

I wish Sambone would come back....

yup, im 100% sure you cant do that on Yahoo

Post #20 » by **Paydro70** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:14 am

You are incorrect... I just tried creating a league, the last option in "league settings" is a choice between "daily" and "weekly" roster changes. This is what our league should get set to, it makes it much more manageable and less tedious.