We should have drafted....

CarolinaCash · Post #1 » by **CarolinaCash** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:15 am

Every year the fans (including me) turn into armchair GMs. We all say.....man we should have drafted Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, etc. Well let's keep track of how we messed up this year. I am one that like the Augustin and Ajinca picks but there's no question that some players we passed up may have helped us immediately (PF Darrell Arthur).

Debuts:

Darrell Arthur: 11pts 15 reb
Brook Lopez: 8pts 8 reb
Jason Thompson: 18 pts 10 reb
Mario Chalmers: 17 pts 7 reb 8 assists (we could have had him for with our 2nd pick or even traded up in the 2nd to get him)

Other notables:
Danny Granger 33 pts
Walter Herrmann 10 pts
Chris Wilcox 15pts 7 reb (I would like to trade for him)
Charlie V 20 pts 12 reb ( I would like to trade for him)
David Lee 16 pts 10 reb 5 assists (trade Felton for him)
Udonis Haslem 23 pts 10 reb (trade Felton for him)

pballa · Post #2 » by **pballa** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:27 am

you dont want charlie V.

doc.end · Post #3 » by **doc.end** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:30 am

I hate these threads already. Are we a bunch of whining kids or what?

And I don't see how you can blame us not drafting Herrmann - we were the team who brought him to the league. I agree, he could be useful but there is no need to write about him in "draft thread".

I'm very content that we didn't draft Lopez.

What you will do if against Cavs Augustin will have 15 assists? And 0 assist and 0 points? Does one game mean anything? (Especially in Larry Brown hard to learn system).

If Arthur injures himself in next match and will be done for season would you edit this thread? (not that I wish something like that to anybody) No need to have this thread - again.

Bassman · Post #4 » by **Bassman** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:50 pm

I don't hate these threads....I get depressed by them. But it's like everything else: LEARN FROM THE TRUTH!

I would not have preferred drafted Lopez ultimately because he is a center and we needed a PF. But at the time I did advocate drafting the best PF with our 1st pick, and then drafting Chalmers with #20. Chalmers is already drawing raves from coaches around the league (during SL and pre-season) and you see what he did last night. WOW!! I had no idea Thompson could be that good.

But even if we still drafted DJ first, I was PLEADING on draft night to grab Arthur with the 20th pick. The bulls*** rumor floating around about a health issue was probably started by someone wanting to get him late in the draft. I wanted us to take that chance at 20 as he will prove to be lottery worthy. All of these players need time to prove their worth. But how nice would it be to have Arthur now? Or how about Thompson and Chalmers?

Our drafts have been SO PATHETIC, bad choices every year just perpetuate the suffering. Therefore we must continue to acknowledge the truth, however difficult that may be.

Felton for Pres · Post #5 » by **Felton for Pres** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:21 pm

doc.end wrote:I hate these threads already. Are we a bunch of whining kids or what?

Um..have you looked at the other threads around here? Obviously we are a bunch of whining kids (and yes, I am just as guilty as everyone us).

The counter argument is that there is a thin line between frustration and whining. Any fan of a losing team is going to be frustrated.

Benjamin Linus · Post #6 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:12 pm

I gotta say I was a pretty big Darrell Arthur fan before the draft and honestly thought about taking him with our 9th pick. So when he fell to the twenties on draft night I was going nuts like we were about to draft two lottery picks. But of course, we then selected Ajinca. Which I don't think is a bad pick, I mean the kid's got A LOT of upside, but so does Arthur... maybe his ceiling isn't quite as high but he's definitely more of a sure thing. If I could do it all over again I'd take Arthur over Ajinca. And maybe Chris Douglas-Roberts over Kyle Weaver. But what can you do...

CarolinaCash · Post #7 » by **CarolinaCash** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:46 pm

I added Hermmann and some of the other guys not bc we should have drafted him but how we shouldn't have traded him. (or at least signed him back) The other guys I think will help at power forward and maybe we should look into trading for them.

Post #8 » by **fatlever** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:17 pm

jason thompson looked pretty good last night. but can you imagine the reaction if we took him at 9 over lopez, dj, bayless etc... people would have FREAKED after the draft..... right?

doc, i think cash included walter not as someone we didnt draft but someone we had and let go.

i never thought granger would be this good. i mean, i figured he'd peak at 15ppg and 7rpg and be a decent sf.

i'm still not sold on arthur. i need to see more. i need to see him do it for a period of time. good for him that he should get plenty of minutes in memphis, as they have no one at pf either.

e4Nf6 · Post #9 » by **e4Nf6** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:35 pm

you know there is a point in the morning process where you need to stop ruminating about what could have been and get on with your life....

If you are going to mention Hermmann, why no Brevin Knight or Eddie House?

If you are going that far back we could also talk about how we could have done better with the expansion draft.

If we go that far back why not just talk about the Hornets leaving? We surely don't regret a single draft-pick more than that.

What about Jammal Mashburn's "Illness" in the playoffs? never really go to the bottom of that. What about giving LJ that huge contract while pinching pennies with Zo.

You see my point....

You can obsess over this if you want, it's your time, But, you are only making yourselves miserable....

Post #10 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:50 pm

Interesting that there are more posts in a negative thread like this than in a postive thread like "The Best Thing About Preseason Was......."

Glass half empty every where.

W_HAMILTON · Post #11 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:30 pm

fatlever wrote:jason thompson looked pretty good last night. but can you imagine the reaction if we took him at 9 over lopez, dj, bayless etc... people would have FREAKED after the draft..... right?

I don't even know who he is, so I would have been angry.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #12 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:42 pm

We should have drafted D. Howard, C. Paul, B. Roy, etc.

Whatever.

I really wish that some of the drafts had been different too, but what is, is. Might as well wish we had "drafted" a different front office.

Post #13 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:48 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:
fatlever wrote:jason thompson looked pretty good last night. but can you imagine the reaction if we took him at 9 over lopez, dj, bayless etc... people would have FREAKED after the draft..... right?

I don't even know who he is, so I would have been angry.

He's not white and he's not skinny - you would have been ok with him!!

Post #14 » by **Paydro70** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:12 pm

Howard was the only guy we did not have a chance to take, of those three.

This last draft could very well end up comical. Y'know what the truth is, doc.end? We KNOW DJ isn't going to put up 18 assists, because he's a backup. We drafted a backup #9, and not a starter like we could have. We drafted a bench scrub at #21, and not a starter like we could have. And it's definitely not too late to note how players some of us wanted more than Ajinca (Arthur, in my case) are going to have dramatically more success than him RIGHT NOW.

Anyway, I don't see why complaining that we are possibly the worst team in the league at drafting is any different from complaining about May being fat, or losing every preseason game, or anything else. It's all a board is good for, celebrating good things, complaining about bad things, and arguing over what the team could do differently (i.e., not draft scrubs).

August Us Seazr · Post #15 » by **August Us Seazr** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:11 pm

Speaking of drafting... Isn't a lot of our problem regarding draft night that we are too dang good at the end of the season, tanking our opportunity to pick high. And then there's the lottery. How has our luck been there? Collectively, if the Bobcats had had a little of the Charlotte Hornets luck, this thread would be a moot point. The only times we finish high enough to pick well are years when the draft is not stacked with premier players (See 2006 draft).

But then we have batted that little shuttlecock over the net a number of times!

Truth is, I'm starting to wonder if the front office even CARES to complete our starting five with good players. No five cylinder engine sounds good with only four operational cylinders! They are fooling themselves if they think we can make the playoffs without a decent 4.

Claw on, Bobcats fans.

chrbal · Post #16 » by **chrbal** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:16 pm

I love the "one game freakout". So is Danny Granger going to average 33 points a game while his team loses all 82 games? Are Jason Thompson and Darrel Arthur going to average a double-double all season long?

The Bobcats have made mistakes in drafting. Saying that is pretty much like telling me the world is round. I get it. We don't need bi-monthly topics about it.

So I'll give you this. 2004 lottery, after Okafor;
3- Ben Gordon, 4- Shaun Livingston, 5- Devin Harris, 6- Josh Childress, 7- Luol Deng, 8- Rafael Arajuo, 9- Andre Iguodala, 10- Luke Jackson, 11- Andris Biedrins, 12- Robert Swift, 13- Sebastian Telfair, and 14- Kris Humphries.

So out of those guys, who do you want to feed to sharks as the focal point of an expansion team? AI2 and Deng. Team needed a big and got the best one they had available.

The only pick that this team has done that I knew at the time was a bad one, was Sean May (trade down for Jason Maxiell, David Lee, or Johan Petro in that order). Kyle Weaver (take Devon Hardin) is a close 2nd.

Other people will post their great wisdom, but i'll just be honest.

Rich4114 · Post #17 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:34 pm

This all started when we traded Kobe for Divac...

doc.end · Post #18 » by **doc.end** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:49 pm

Paydro70 wrote:. We drafted a bench scrub at #21, and not a starter like we could have. It's all a board is good for, celebrating good things, complaining about bad things, and arguing over what the team could do differently (i.e., not draft scrubs).

I seroiusly doubt that.

I didn't argue I had been tired of these kind of threads what we should and what we shouldn't in drafts. As long as time machine is not invented I can't stand these thread every other months.

Especially praising rookies of other teams after one game. It's one game man, not a season. We are talking about one game, man. (got the DJ mentioned now?)

Post #19 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:12 am

Rich4114 wrote:This all started when we traded Kobe for Divac...

it all started when the hornets drafted jr reid at 5 to make the unc fans happy.

chrbal · Post #20 » by **chrbal** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:24 am

There are 30 teams in the NBA that would like to do over multiple picks.

You don't think the Knicks wouldn't love to have had both Amare Stoudmire and Marcus Camby after the 2002 draft (draft amare and not nene, then trade him and Camby)?

Or that Houston might want a mulligan on their entire 1998 draft? Michael Dickerson, Bryce Drew, Mirsad Turkan, and Cuttino Mobley VS Dickerson, Al Harrington, Rashard Lewis, and Mobley.

And of course the ultimate recent one. Chicago, 2000 draft; Marcus Fizer, Chris Mihm (draft day trade for Jamal Crawford), Dalibor Bagaric, AJ Guyton, Jake Voshkul, and Khalid El-Amin VS Mike Miller, Crawford, Marko Jaric, Edjuardo Najera, Michael Redd, and I guess Voshkul.

But please let the world keep doing bringing these ideas back up. They are so original and thoughtful.