Trade ideas

CarolinaCash · Post #1 » by **CarolinaCash** » Sun Nov 2, 2008 5:38 pm

These two nuggets are from today:

With a long list of forwards, the Nets seem willing to deal former Boston College star Sean Williams, Stromile Swift, or Trenton Hassell, according to an NBA source.

Boston Globe

An NBA source said the Trail Blazers seem interested in moving some of their deep young talent for veterans, to add experience and to spare them from having to pay big contracts down the road.

Boston Globe

The Bobcats need to grab a power forward. I would like Sean Williams from the Nets if MJ and Larry Brown think they can handle him. We wouldn't have to give up too much for him.

In the picture of the Blazers excerpt they showed LaMarcus Aldridge's picture. They have Aldridge, Diogu, LaFrentz, Frye, and Randolph at PF. They have three young guys at small forward with Outlaw, Batum, and Webster. Would they do Aldridge and Webster for Wallace, May, and a pick?

W_HAMILTON · Post #2 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Sun Nov 2, 2008 5:43 pm

Yeah, it seems like there is a market out there full of PFs that could be traded. It's just a matter of finding the right deal. Hopefully they will do something, but nothing too drastic (like breaking up the core of Okafor/Richardson/Wallace). The more PFs there are out there, the better chances we have at getting one without having to give up too much.

Post #3 » by **fatlever** » Sun Nov 2, 2008 7:16 pm

no chance the blazers are trading LMA for anything short of a deal involving a true franchise player, even if his pic was on the article. more likely to be traded by the blazers would be frye, outlaw, sergio or webster.

now, i could see the blazers consolidating their younsters in a push for an older franchise player like dirk (assuming the mavs wanted to rebuild this year). thats the only way i see LMA getting traded.

Bassman · Post #4 » by **Bassman** » Sun Nov 2, 2008 8:05 pm

fatlever wrote:no chance the blazers are trading LMA for anything short of a deal involving a true franchise player, even if his pic was on the article. more likely to be traded by the blazers would be frye, outlaw, sergio or webster.

now, i could see the blazers consolidating their younsters in a push for an older franchise player like dirk (assuming the mavs wanted to rebuild this year). thats the only way i see LMA getting traded.

Agreed. Portland needs a veteran to show these kids how to play together. The youth movement is BIG on talent/potential but short on execution. I think Frye would fit well here but he is their key reserve 4 behind LMA so I'm not sure we can get him. Diogu reminds me a lot of Andre Brown so we don't need him.

Sean Williams really has become a major knucklehead. He played his way out of the rotation. Now he's ticked because they picked up his qualifying offer..not because he waqnts off the team, but because he wants his NEXT CONTRACT!! What?? If you're not playing well, why should you expect a big raise? Shows you where his head is at. Don't want him.

TheBobcatDan · Post #5 » by **TheBobcatDan** » Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:53 am

how about Mohammed for Diogu and Frye?

works at the trade machine http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Rich4114 · Post #6 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:45 am

No way do they give up LMA. But if they did and we got him for really anyone on our roster, we would make out as winners.

BobsBuddy · Post #7 » by **BobsBuddy** » Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:48 am

If Denver waives Antonio McD could we pick him up cheap for maybe 10-15 min a game this year.? I don't know if Larry was in Detroit when McD was? We need all the help at the 4 we can get?

Bassman · Post #8 » by **Bassman** » Tue Nov 4, 2008 2:09 pm

Supposedly McD only wants to play in Detroit. If he is bought out (speculation is it would be around $10M), he could wait 1 month after the buyout and then re-sign with the Pistons.

So let's review Antonio's choices:

A - Get a nice mid-season vacation, $10M up front, then go back to work where you want to be, with a team that has a real chance to win the championship!

B - Come to a struggling team that has no hope for sniffing the playoffs even if you join them, with the only redeeming quality of playing for a coach you liked back when.

Case closed your Honor.

Felton for Pres · Post #9 » by **Felton for Pres** » Tue Nov 4, 2008 2:28 pm

In Bonnell's recap of last nights game, LB had a few quotes obviously poking management to do something. Hopefully they are listening.

Bassman · Post #10 » by **Bassman** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:23 pm

I hope so too, but so far they haven't budged. Probably difficult to get anyone worth trading for. Higgins comments a few weeks ago that it would need to be someone of value tells me we've asked and dangled some of our players and received crap or a collective yawn in return.

The only decent PF's out there potentially available appear to be Harrington, Sean Williams and Chris Wilcox.

Williams is truly a head case, but perhaps LB could mold him like he did Rasheed (not to be that good but to be productive). SW is also the least talented of the 3; he has a good defensive presense and blocks shots, is big and can rebound some. Unfortunately his offense is limited and he 's not very disciplined/understanding of the game. At this point I'm willing to give him a try if we can get him for some marginal players (due to his salary it would take a 2 for 2 swap to make salaries work, UNLESSS we were willing to deal Dudley straight up, which I doubt LB would do now).

We've beat the Harrington thing to death and know it would take either Crash straight up (no way we do that) or a combo of Felton and another player (Nazi or Matt). Unless DJ suddenly gets REALLY mature and NBA smart over the next few games we can't afford to give up Felts yet. This deal would likely come laer in the season, if at all.

Wilcox? There was speculation the Thunder might deal Collison instead, but he's playing pretty well for them so far. Wilcox has also played decent off the bench and is in the final year of his contract. But his salary is $6.7M. I doubt we have the players to make that deal, or take the chance he's just 1 and done.

e4Nf6 · Post #11 » by **e4Nf6** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:07 pm

I kind of prefer Collison (over Wilcox) actually...

spectre_ · Post #12 » by **spectre_** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:24 pm

CHA - DEN - GSW

Felton for Pres · Post #13 » by **Felton for Pres** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:00 pm

sign me up

Post #14 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:37 pm

spectre_ wrote:CHA - DEN - GSW

This is a seriously well thought out idea - and helps all teams.

Well done!! I think it has a whole lot of merit for all teams involved.

I don't think that Harrington is right for us, but his $9 mil coming off the books at the end of the season would be sweeeeetttttttttttttt (frees up a little room so we could make a run for someone like Boozer or Lamar in the FA market!!)

I'd actually switch out CJ for Williams though. I know you some people aren't high on him, but I'm telling you, the kid can play. Think about all the stuff Swish said about Nellie. He can't coach. During time outs Nellie would just stand there silent.

I think that Williams, in the right environment, would be an excellent back up.

Plus, he earns more so if we hate him, we let him walk at the end of the season and it's an extra $1.2 mil off the books and more money (combined with Harrington's) that we can use to throw at Boozer/Lamar.

Let Atkins run the point while DJ learns. Then, hopefully DJ takes over mid season and Atkins backs him. During that time, Williams "gets it", we trade Atkins for an expiring so his numbers come off the books at the end of the year (even more money for use to attract FA's) and we resign Williams on the cheap (4 years, 8 mil?)

Then we have our PG rotation locked down and a lot of money to play the FA market!!

AND we get our pick back!!

A++++++++++ to you!!

Bassman · Post #15 » by **Bassman** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:45 pm

In whatever combination of that deal discussed I would say YES!

ohara · Post #16 » by **ohara** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:13 pm

Bassman wrote:In whatever combination of that deal discussed I would say YES!

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AGREED!!!

old rem · Post #17 » by **old rem** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 9:31 am

BigSlam wrote:
spectre_ wrote:CHA - DEN - GSW

This is a seriously well thought out idea - and helps all teams.

Well done!! I think it has a whole lot of merit for all teams involved.

I don't think that Harrington is right for us, but his $9 mil coming off the books at the end of the season would be sweeeeetttttttttttttt (frees up a little room so we could make a run for someone like Boozer or Lamar in the FA market!!)

I'd actually switch out CJ for Williams though. I know you some people aren't high on him, but I'm telling you, the kid can play. Think about all the stuff Swish said about Nellie. He can't coach. During time outs Nellie would just stand there silent.

I think that Williams, in the right environment, would be an excellent back up.

Plus, he earns more so if we hate him, we let him walk at the end of the season and it's an extra $1.2 mil off the books and more money (combined with Harrington's) that we can use to throw at Boozer/Lamar.

Let Atkins run the point while DJ learns. Then, hopefully DJ takes over mid season and Atkins backs him. During that time, Williams "gets it", we trade Atkins for an expiring so his numbers come off the books at the end of the year (even more money for use to attract FA's) and we resign Williams on the cheap (4 years, 8 mil?)

Then we have our PG rotation locked down and a lot of money to play the FA market!!

AND we get our pick back!!

A++++++++++ to you!!

Harrington has a player option for the second year,next season. He isn't expiring yet.

Post #18 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 2:46 pm

old rem wrote:Harrington has a player option for the second year,next season. He isn't expiring yet.

I thought I read some where that the reason he was p*ssed at Nellie was that he wasn't playing him enough so he could drive his value up because he has every intention of opting out at the end of the season and working the FA market?

I thought his agent said as much?

Also, he would be an IDIOT to play out his option next season and become a FA at the end of it. That's the huge FA summer of LBJ, Bosh, Wade etc and Harrington would be an after thought and most of the "good" money would be soaked up quickly leaving little for him.

It would make more sense for him to opt out at the end of this season.

4ho5ive · Post #19 » by **4ho5ive** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 6:59 pm

Wolves fan here, trying to follow the whole Wallace ordeal. Regarding Al Harrington, i think old rem is right. I too thought that Harrington would try to drive up his value only to opt out in 09 but he is set up to make $10M next season for picking up that player option and i think he knows thats his last chance at that big of a paycheck. He isnt getting 9-10M whether he opts out after this year or lets his full contract run out to 2010 so i figure he is gonna pick up that option.

Just my two cents, I tried making a deal to get him to Minny thinking he would opt out as well and was told otherwise.

Post #20 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 7:17 pm

Thing is though 4ho5ive if he picks up his option and plays under his current contract until the summer of '10 then he's potentially going to be very low down in the pecking order when it comes to FA's considering who he might be going up against which means there will be less money to throw at him than there might be next summer.