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Is it because we are trying to showcase Felton.
I think DJ should start. I mean were not tanking for the lotto with Brown as our coach. Clearly without a trade miracle we will be in the lotto but shouldn't we try and win?
If so DJ should absolutely be starting right now.
What are we waiting for? I think it would be good to to see how well he does against starting pg's.
Also if we have Ray playing the bench pg's maybe his stats will improve as will his trade value.

That's a good question...

Well first off all, Felton's trade value isn't going to improve just because he may have better numbers against backup guards. That simply isn't logical.

As for why DJ isn't starting? Maybe LB doesn't want to put too much pressure on the kid. Ease him into the transition. Perhaps its the energy off the bench that he brings. Who knows really. Doesn't bother me that much though.

he's averaging 29mpg as a rookie and is almost always in the game in the 4th quarter as the pg.

Well don't you think our best player should be averaging 36 minutes or more?
Worst thing that happens is he hits the wall. If that happens it's not gonna mess up our deep playoff run anyway.

Dexmor wrote:Well don't you think our best player should be averaging 36 minutes or more?
Worst thing that happens is he hits the wall. If that happens it's not gonna mess up our deep playoff run anyway.

I think Gerald, Mek and Boris might disagree.

Out of all of those guys none can create there own shot. We need a guy that we can just give it to and who we can get out of his way and have him score it. A guy who can average at least 19 points and get us 30 once in a while when we need it. None of those 3 are it. Diaw has that potential but is not comfortable in that role. He has never averaged more then 13.5.
DJ is our only hope right now. If there not gonna start DJ and give him the keys they might as well play all our young players and let them get some expierence because this season is over. I knew playoffs probably wasn't gonna happen but you can't win with Gerald Wallace leading your team in scoring.
Were not like the Suns or the Pistons were like the Sixers who went ot the finals minus Allen Iverson..
5 Role players starting isn't gonna work. I don't even know if Dj is a 20 point guy but he is the only one who has a shot.
THere was an article today about how the Mavs need more scoring because in there starting lineup they only have Dirk and howard as go to scorers. We don't have any. 0.
Thats not gonna work. Either DJ starts and plays out of his mind or a trade hapens or we jut have to look forward to the lotto.

Dexmor you watch Kobe Bryant too much.

I think they are trying to showcase Felton for trade so that DJ would be the eventual starter. There is no question that he has been playing great when he has started. He averaged 18 points and 7 assists in 6 games as a starter.

If they are just trying to showcase him there making a mistake or at least can do it a different way. DJ can average 19 and 8 and a guy like that can get you wins. We could still give Felton all of the backup minutes at the 1 and the 2. He might even score more playing the 2 inflating his stats.

I am not just watching Kobe. Name any team in the league and they have a creator. Even the terrible teams but espially the good ones. The Bulls are being carried by Rose, the Grizz by Mayo and we should by DJ.

Bobcats need his scoring off the bench. That's pretty much all there is to it.

if we start dj, it should be raja bell going to the bench, not felton.

fatlever wrote:if we start dj, it should be raja bell going to the bench, not felton.

Beat me to it Fats. Felton's been possibly our best player this year no matter how good DJ has been so far. You can't push him to the bench and expect to be better. If we can trade him for an upgrade then so be it, but as it stands now Felton really needs to be on the floor for us to do well.

Can somebody explain this to me?

Currently, DJ has an eFG% of .488. Felton has an eFG of .417. That's a difference of roughly .07.

During a game if they both take 10 shots, DJ scores 10*.488*2 points, or 9.76 points.

Felton scores 10*.417*2 points, or 8.34 points.

That's 1.42 point difference, i.e. less than a bucket. If they both shoot 15 times (which I pray to god never happens) DJ scores one bucket more than Felton roughly (2.13).

Is this reasonably accurate, I mean, this is what eFG counts, right? Or am I being stupid?

I looked it up because my feeling is that whenever DJ shoots it goes in, and whenever Felton shoots he misses (unless it is in the last 3 min. of the game for some reason). Yet the stats say that the difference is pretty small within any given game. Or maybe it's not really that small. Maybe it has to do with distribution, i.e. DJ is more likely and "get hot" as a good shooter and actually have a significant impact on the game vs. Felton.

Oh i don't know. Maybe I'm screwing up the stats, or don't understand what an average difference of 1.42 means. I assume it means that DJ's production over a string of 10 games vs. Felton might look like: 0 -2 4 5 2 3 1 0 -2 8 or something?

*holds head in hands*

fluffernutter wrote:Can somebody explain this to me?

I don't know about all those advanced stats, but a difference of 7% shooting is pretty sizable.

To put that in perspective, the difference between Felton and Augustin is 7.1%.

The difference between Chris Paul and Augustin is 4.1%.

The difference between LeBron James and Augustin is 4.5%.

I like DJ's scoring ability off the bench. I have no problem with it.

W_HAMILTON wrote:

fluffernutter wrote:Can somebody explain this to me?

I don't know about all those advanced stats, but a difference of 7% shooting is pretty sizable.

To put that in perspective, the difference between Felton and Augustin is 7.1%.

The difference between Chris Paul and Augustin is 4.1%.

The difference between LeBron James and Augustin is 4.5%.

Fluff's numbers are off for a couple of reasons...

1. We are not considering FT's ( In Which DJ goes to the line more and converts at a higher percentage)
2. We are not considering 3-pointers (In which DJ shoots a MUCH higher percentage, 42% to 31%)

efg% adjusts for the fact that a 3-pointer is worth one more point than a normal bucket. So somebody who shot 2/6 on all 3 pointers would have a 50% efg.

If we use the 15 shot example above:

On 15 FGA Felton would be expected to score 12.33 pts
On 15 FGA DJ would be expected to score 14.64
a difference of 2.31 in DJ's favor

Notice I said "FGA" because "Shot" and "FGA" are not the same thing. If someone is fouled as they shoot there is no "FGA" recorded.

If we include FT's it would push it towards DJ even more. (too lazy to do the math, another point or so) If we include Assists and Steals it would swing back to Ray a bit. Fortunately there is PER which adds all this up while also accounting for the pace that different teams play. and right now DJ's PER is signifigantly but not overwhelmingly better: 15.0 to 12.8.

Of course this is just "stats," and doesn't include most of a players defensive contribution, where I feel Ray is signifigantly better. All in all I don't mind Ray starting as long as DJ gets his minutes too. We should play match-ups and situations and put in DJ if we need more scoring and Ray for his defense.

until dj's ankle gets better, not much point in this debate. he is obviously hurting.

on bobcats website they interview larry brown about raja's injury. at the end larry says hes skeptical how much dj is really hurting with his ankle so it could be more serious than people think.

I just saw the video and Larry Brown defenately looked seriously upset when he said that. They should just sit DJ for a week or 2. Can't jeopordize the only future for sure building block for a couple of wins in a nonplayoff season. Maybe Mek could be considered a for sure building block to but for the sake of arguing we know DJ will be there for the long haul.