NBA Trades - Winners

Bassman · Post #1 » by **Bassman** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:40 pm

With the deadline passed, we always want to grade the deals made. In my mind the best grades for trades belong to these teams:

> Charlotte Bobcats - Not just deadline deals, but trades made during the season, and maybe those that were not made. The guys we got for the guys we shipped out have been excellent to productive. Diaw = core player. Bell & Radmonivich = key players. Diop = solid bench player. Singletary = low potential but low investment. Couple that with not making a STUPID trade of a core player, we did very well this year. Bad news was being unable to move Nazi but he's a legacy dead weight anchor we're stuck with for some time.

> Chicago Bulls - Best deals made at the deadline to get Miller, Salmons, and dump Hughes (who they weren't going to use).

> Knicks - Getting Hughes helps them now. Wilcox can contribute versus Rose, and he auditions for a possible role if David Lee's expense becomes a sign & trade. Plus these deals help them with cap relief for 2010.

Losers? Too soon to tell but the Kings seemed to be the crowning idiots. The Chandler deal that blew up is not helpful for New Orleans.

Post #2 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:45 pm

Bassman wrote:Couple that with not making a STUPID trade of a core player, we did very well this year.

Well said and totally agree. Today is a pretty good day for us, considering how it might have turned out.

Dexmor · Post #3 » by **Dexmor** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:53 pm

It's amazing Felton and Wallace are still here. It is great news to me. I love Felton and Wallace. Well I love/hate Felton and really like Wallace.
I think they will make the playoffs now. Even though they can't score I think they will make the playoffs. Im surprised McCants didn't end up here. They need scoring so bad Radman is averaging 15 a game here in 27 minutes.

Post #4 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:17 pm

Bulls traded Thabo to the Thunder for the lowest of their 2009 1st round picks (they have about a zillion of them!!).

That's a good deal for the Thunder IMO. We could have used a guy like Thabo backing Raja.

hotrod · Post #5 » by **hotrod** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:21 pm

Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made. I definitely think we fall into that categorie.I am excited to see what this group can do as we make our playoff run.

countryboi · Post #6 » by **countryboi** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:22 pm

the blazers are big losers they have the assets to make big moves and all that talk about lafrentz getting more calls than amare...and they dont do jack

truthbtold21 · Post #7 » by **truthbtold21** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:24 pm

Glad to see that suga ray and gforce are still here,sad to see that nazr and his ugly contract are still here,but all in all love the trades we made and did not make.

Post #8 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:26 pm

countryboi wrote:the blazers are big losers they have the assets to make big moves and all that talk about lafrentz getting more calls than amare...and they dont do jack

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Post #9 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:34 pm

OKC screwed up with the Chandler thing. I mean, time will tell and it's a good move if he is hurt enough to justify backing out of the trade, but I'm inclined to believe they just experienced buyers remorse and hit the undo key. Westbrook-Sefolosha-Durant-Green-Chandler isn't bad at all.

It's easy to call the Blazers losers if they were unable to land a top flight wing because of a reluctance to include Batum.

Don't like the Chicago or NY deals.

I think Houston wins. We win of course.

chabber · Post #10 » by **chabber** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:37 pm

Exactly. KP deserves a big Epic Fail for not getting anything out of that contract to improve their team.

I agree about OKC as well.

When I first heard of the Chandler trade I was thinking of all of the young players, cap space and 1st round picks they have and thinking they might be the new "Up and Coming Team" over the Blazers.

Post #11 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:42 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:OKC screwed up with the Chandler thing. I mean, time will tell and it's a good move if he is hurt enough to justify backing out of the trade, but I'm inclined to believe they just experienced buyers remorse and hit the undo key. Westbrook-Sefolosha-Durant-Green-Chandler isn't bad at all.

I don't know man. I'm not a huge Chandler fan though. Would he be as effective playing without CP3 making him look the goods?

It's not like he is a super shot blocker. His rebounding is down. He makes some pretty big coin over the next three years.

Maybe they just draft Thabeet, Hill or Monroe and get the same sort of production for a third of the price?

Post #12 » by **fatlever** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:00 pm

i dont understand the blazers sometimes... i really dont.

all those young assets sitting on the bench + that massive exp deal. and nothing.

now what? i guess they'll be going after everyone in the summer???

Post #13 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:01 pm

BigSlam wrote:I don't know man. I'm not a huge Chandler fan though. Would he be as effective playing without CP3 making him look the goods?

It's not like he is a super shot blocker. His rebounding is down. He makes some pretty big coin over the next three years.

Maybe they just draft Thabeet, Hill or Monroe and get the same sort of production for a third of the price?

OKC goes after orebs hard. "OMG, we missed, go get the ball so we don't have to play defense" hard. I don't know what's up with Chandler, so I can't explain why his rebound rate is the lowest it's been since he was a rookie or why his reb/40 is the lowest of his career, but I think that it's a fluke. Even so, his ORR is STILL top 6 in the league.

Paul makes Tyson look as good as he'll ever look on offense, I totally agree there. In OKC though, his job would be to Oreb Durant's few misses, p&r with Westbrook and dunk when you're wide open because KD is drawing all of the offensive attention and you're wide open. On the other end he'd be expected to outplay Robert Swift and Nick Collison. If he couldn't do that, he would maybe be the worst contract in the league by the time it expires (13m PO in 10/11), but I think he's the best possible solution that OKC would find.

Monroe and Hill wouldn't be able to play the C like Chandler does (Monroe maybe, not Hill though) and I have really low expectations for Hasheem.

Post #14 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:07 pm

fatlever wrote:i dont understand the blazers sometimes... i really dont.

all those young assets sitting on the bench + that massive exp deal. and nothing.

now what? i guess they'll be going after everyone in the summer???

They don't have that much gil now that Darius is back on the books. This was there big chance and they blew it. Gods help them if Oden never shakes these injuries while KD rips the nets of every arena...

Bassman · Post #15 » by **Bassman** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:53 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:
fatlever wrote:i dont understand the blazers sometimes... i really dont.

all those young assets sitting on the bench + that massive exp deal. and nothing.

now what? i guess they'll be going after everyone in the summer???

They don't have that much gil now that Darius is back on the books. This was there big chance and they blew it. Gods help them if Oden never shakes these injuries while KD rips the nets of every arena...

Drafts are not an exact science, but the top picks have to pay off or you lose a step or two. If Oden stays in the sick bay, the Blazer's road to a championship is really delayed. Raef's expiring will help them avoid luxury tax issues, but they needed a veteran to help bring this group of youngsters up a few notches.

jstar5 · Post #16 » by **jstar5** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:23 am

I think the biggest winner might be Larry Hughes. If he stays healthy, he could end up avg 24 ppg in Mikey D's system and then potentially trick someone in to overpaying him again. I seriously believe, IF healthy, he's gonna look good over the next 1 1/2 years and everyone's going to talk about his rejuvinated career.

ohara · Post #17 » by **ohara** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:27 am

I think the big winners are the Bulls, followed by the Knicks. The Bulls got 2 really good players, and the Knicks got more athletic without hurting their 2010 cap space.

Big losers are OKC for blowing the Chandler deal, and Portland for failing to improve at PG or SF. With Manu out 3 weeks for the Spurs, Portland could have made a major move to try and make a serious run up the Western Conf. ladder. As it is, I dont see them getting out of the 1st round if they make the Playoffs.

As for Charlotte, what we did in the other trades was very good for us. But I fear we are overvaluing our team as much as other team's fans undervalue our Cats. I think we are a team that can vie for the 8th spot, and be in that range from #8 - #12. I cannot get too excited about mediocrity which is what I see the Cats being right now. A team that can beat the lower 1/3 of the NBA, but who struggles to beat the other 2/3. I just wish we could have done something which could have been a step forward rather than stay put. I know others disagree, and so be it. I will still be pulling hard for the guys game after game, but I do so with tempered expectations.

Post #18 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:45 am

ohara wrote:A team that can beat the lower 1/3 of the NBA, but who struggles to beat the other 2/3.

If there is one thing we have proven over the years and again already this year, we are the total opposite of this!!

ohara · Post #19 » by **ohara** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:01 am

BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:A team that can beat the lower 1/3 of the NBA, but who struggles to beat the other 2/3.

If there is one thing we have proven over the years and again already this year, we are the total opposite of this!!

Slam, right now we are ranked #21 out of 30 teams. We have the 10th worst record. That is what I mean by saying we can beat the bottom 1/3 but not the top 2/3. I am not referring to specificlly looking at our record against every single team. Just being general. We are #21 of 30.

Post #20 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:21 am

ohara wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:A team that can beat the lower 1/3 of the NBA, but who struggles to beat the other 2/3.

If there is one thing we have proven over the years and again already this year, we are the total opposite of this!!

Slam, right now we are ranked #21 out of 30 teams. We have the 10th worst record. That is what I mean by saying we can beat the bottom 1/3 but not the top 2/3. I am not referring to specificlly looking at our record against every single team. Just being general. We are #21 of 30.

I know, but we have shown we can beat any team in the NBA on any given night regardless of where we are ranked and where they are ranked.....................except for one!!

Add in the fact that our roster is stronger than it has even been, and I see sunny sky's, not doom and gloom.