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what would you be intrested in??????? maybe rip, amir, and #15 for okafor and nazr or something like that

OKC #3, #26 and Collison
for
Okafor.

i ment to a detroit team

If we could get Rip, Johnson and the 15, it would not be enough for Okafor. It's not a horrible offer, but replacing Okafor would be too difficult for what we get in return. Rip would be a great fit in our backcourt, but he is getting up in age a tad (turns 32 during next season), and we would need to deal someone other than our starters.

I wouldn't really deal Okafor for anyone on DET. We're already stacked at young PG's.

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By one of your mods. I'd take out Crash, making it Amir/Affalo/15th for Mek/Vlad.

Not saying we'd do this, but if we move Mek I'd have to think it'd either be a crazy good deal (like a high pick or stellar young player) or major cap relief with some parts to supplement it.

Stuckey obviously.

Bynum and Amir with a pick and next years pick and some cash or a midlevel exception.

BigSlam wrote:OKC #3, #26 and Collison
for
Okafor.

OKC has the #25 just so you know. And I think OKC would welcome that trade with open arms.

I think it would be fair for both sides in value.

If we could get 4 assets from okc I would be all over that deal. Based off the thread from the trade board, it seems like okc may go for #3,#25, Collison and White/Weaver.

That opens up flexibility w/ #12 and #25 or possibly moving nazi with 12.

My only problem is I'm not sold on anyone at #3, I don't want Thabeet, I think Harden's a reach at 3 (even though he's projected everywhere as top 5, just my opinion) and Rubio plays the one position our roster currently has the most depth. With those options I would hope Rubio would be the guy just to create more draft day excitement and options to continue the LB makeover.

I think 4 assets is pushing it unless you'd take a future second round pick.

But again I think #3, Collison and your choice between the #25 or White or Weaver is fair value for Okafor.

I'm sort of on board with this idea. At least it's a whole lot better than any of the Detroit ones.

Losing Okafor is going to hurt a lot. Our defense and rebounding will definitely take a hit unless Diop, Diaw, our backups and whoever else coming in steps up their game.

But on the other hand, I'm really high on Harden. I think he's an all-around talent, an all-star caliber player that fits the team very well. Plus having the 12th pick, Collison, the 25th pick / Weaver, and our second rounders would really address our depth needs. Not to mention we get rid of a huge chunck of Okafor's contract.

I'm still a little worried about the 5 spot though. You guys know way more about capspace than me, with this trade and after resigning Felton, would we be able to sign someone this offseason like Gortat or Varejao or maybe Rasheed Wallace?

Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm still a little worried about the 5 spot though. You guys know way more about capspace than me, with this trade and after resigning Felton, would we be able to sign someone this offseason like Gortat or Varejao or maybe Rasheed Wallace?

Not really. We'd save around 4 million in swapping Mek for Collison but the 3rd and 25th would pretty much suck the difference up.

spectre_ wrote:

Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm still a little worried about the 5 spot though. You guys know way more about capspace than me, with this trade and after resigning Felton, would we be able to sign someone this offseason like Gortat or Varejao or maybe Rasheed Wallace?

Not really. We'd save around 4 million in swapping Mek for Collison but the 3rd and 25th would pretty much suck the difference up.

Since OKC is so far under the cap, would they be able to simply absorb EO's salary for the picks, forgoing Collison altogether?

If we could nab harden with the pick and then free up the money to sign a Gortat, dealing EO would be well worth it. I honestly believe that with regular minutes, Gortat can post comparable #s (14/10/2).

They're over the cap this season. I'm not sure exactly when it switches over but it's after the draft. Mek would also be BYC, so some tweaking would have to be done (I haven't tried crunching any numbers).

I'm all for that proposed deal with OKC. We get a choice player at the 3, plus a PF with range in Collison, plus other assets. Would we draft Thabs? Maybe, but I suspect we'd go with LB's love child (Curry)! In etiher case, we'd get our choice of a pick that has a better chance to be an impact player in the future. We also get out from Oak's contract (not horrible but it's too big for a player that's already peaked at his stats). We could use a center rotation of Diop and Nazi, if they both show up in better condition as is being reported. Heck, maybe the french bean will be ready to give some minutes there. The 25th pick would give us some depth.

I like it. Not my favorite deal (I like the Marc Gasol trade better) but a really good one.

spectre_ wrote:They're over the cap this season. I'm not sure exactly when it switches over but it's after the draft. Mek would also be BYC, so some tweaking would have to be done (I haven't tried crunching any numbers).

It would have to be after July 1st when the expiring contracts come off the books and the Thunder would then be miles under the cap.

Spectre. It look like you're right about OKC. They'll likely have one of the lowest -if not the lowest payroll in the league this summer since they've got ton's of money dropping off their payroll. Malik Rose's 7.6 mil, Marshalls 6 mil, Mason's 5.3, swifts 3.6, etc. But, as you noted, if all that doesnt drop off the books until sometime in July, I guess its all moot when it comes to facilitating a trade.

And I second the EO for Marc Gasol and #2 pick as the most sound proposal. It would make alot of sense for both teams:

EO would provide the strong defensive presence theyve been lacking down low. Memphis' front office is well acclimated with what he brings to the table as Okafor demolished Memphis with huge games in each of their meetings this year.

On the Charlotte's end, they free up some cap room and get a big, servicable center in Gasol. We could take Harden with the pick and plug him in at the two or package the #2 pick along with Wallace to possibly acquire a big time SG or SF scorer.

Its a shame because a year ago, the number 2 overall pick and Gerald Wallace probably would have been sufficent to acquire a Carmelo Anthony as he was butting head's with George Karl at the time and was rumored to be on the block. But now, with Denver's recent post season success and Anthony raising his game, he's nearly untouchable.

Felton / DJ
Twill / Bell
Anthony / Vlad
Diaw / May / Lexi
Gasol / Diop / Nazr

Would have looked pretty nice...

wouldnt memphis be better off adding HT at #2 rather than trading the pick and gasol for okafor and saving some money as well?

fatlever wrote:wouldnt memphis be better off adding HT at #2 rather than trading the pick and gasol for okafor and saving some money as well?

As much as we question Mek's drive I think HT would be worse.

That proposal was put forth by Griz fans before the lottery...what were they slated, 4th? I have no idea if they'd like the idea now or not.

fatlever wrote:wouldnt memphis be better off adding HT at #2 rather than trading the pick and gasol for okafor and saving some money as well?

I guess they could go that route if theyre convinced that HB is another Mutombo. I personally dont think so. I think he'll be a great shot blocker but think he'll be mediocre on the boards with the physicality and stronger bodies in the NBA. Blair gave him fits when they played Pitt. He's also not particularly mobile. If you think Okafor struggled checking shooting bigs like Bosh, Dirk and Okur, wait until you see Thabeet be forced to venture outside of the paint to contest long jumpers.

As far as the money is concerned, as you mentioned in an earlier post, small market teams with cap space arent going to be using it in free agency. And even with EO on their books, they'd still have one of the lower payrolls in the league.

Long story short, I view Okafor, even with his slightly bloated salary taken into account, as a better center than Thabeet. Save for blocks perhaps, I dont think you're going to see Thabeet come close to duplicating any of Okafor's numbers and I think EO would help Memphis add more wins than HB.

I'd be reluctant to trade Okafor for the second pick straight up as a strict cost cutting move because unless you can turn right around with the saved money and sign someone like a Gortat, what good has the extra cap space done for you. In this particular example, the forfiture of Okafor for the #2 pick would be tempered enough to make it acceptable by the fact that you'd also receive a servicable center in Gasol who can do a decent job at Okafor's vacated 5 spot (that way Larry Brown wont have to endure the nightmare of giving foul plagued starter's minutes to "The Daddy, Mister D-I-O-P").