Monta Ellis

BeesWax · Post #1 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:37 pm

If Monta is unhappy and really wants out of GS can we make a play for him? He is in Atlanta so this would be closer to home for him. He can play SG so he and Felton could play side by side. I was playing with trade checker and it is hard to match him up with us but I came up with this trade.

Charlotte trades
Raja Bell
DJ Augustine
Desanga Diop

Warriors trade
Monta Ellis
Ronny Turiaf
Jemario Davidson

We could throw in some picks or something but I think this gives us the scoring punch we need. I hate to lose Bell but we need someone who can put up points night in night out. I hate losing DJ as well but GS needs a PG. I am honestly not sure this would be attractive to either side but was the best I could do on the trade checker.

Bassman · Post #2 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:02 pm

Not sure I want Ellis here. Yes he can score, but he's better in the transition game than the half court. I want players who can win during the season but really get it done in a playoff setting. I would also use Nazr versus Diop in that deal; at least Diop is younger and has a chance to get better.

There are better deals out there for us ...

Felton for Pres · Post #3 » by **Felton for Pres** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:12 pm

Anything to get Davidson back!

Ellis doesn't play D, is a locker room cancer and has possibly the worst contract in the league. I wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole.

Takuya Kimura · Post #4 » by **Takuya Kimura** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:19 pm

Ellis is ofen being compared to Tony Parker who perform very well in the slowest team in the league.
Getting a superstar potential player at this price is a done deal for me.

Felton/12th-Holiday
Ellis/12th-Holiday
Crash/Radman
Diaw/Frye?
Okafor/Nazr

BTW I've traded for Ellis too in a GM Game which I own the Bobcats.

Fred Williamson · Post #5 » by **Fred Williamson** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:20 pm

DJ & Raja for Ellis?

No thanks.

We need a real Shooting Guard who's over 6'3.

Maybe Felton + Nazr+#12 for Ellis, but i don't want DJ involved.

BeesWax · Post #6 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:30 pm

To be honest I would rather trade DJ than Felton at this point. I hope DJ becomes a star if we keep him. But I know what Felton is and I know he can play D. I also am still not sold that DJ can remain healthy for a majority of a season where he sees 30 minutes a game. Just worried about his size some.

doc.end · Post #7 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:36 pm

jdm3 wrote:If Monta is unhappy and really wants out of GS can we make a play for him? He is in Atlanta so this would be closer to home for him. He can play SG so he and Felton could play side by side. I was playing with trade checker and it is hard to match him up with us but I came up with this trade.

Charlotte trades
Raja Bell
DJ Augustine
Desanga Diop

Warriors trade
Monta Ellis
Ronny Turiaf
Jemario Davidson

We could throw in some picks or something but I think this gives us the scoring punch we need. I hate to lose Bell but we need someone who can put up points night in night out. I hate losing DJ as well but GS needs a PG. I am honestly not sure this would be attractive to either side but was the best I could do on the trade checker.

if he can't get a moped in Charlotte...

Nah, seriously I wouldn't want Ellis and even less for Raja Bell. I'm not even sold on the thread title which suggesting a bit that Ellis is a centerpiece/best player in this trade. Anyway he doesn't fit. I can live with Turiaf and his hustle but we already had Davidson and let him go, so I don't see a future for him in Charlotte. DJ is out of question. Diop can be moved albeit I think LB and co. are still trying to get the most of him and he won't get traded soon (he could for the right deal of course). The problem is we don't want to have Nazr as first back up at center. He would have to improve a lot.

BeesWax · Post #8 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:46 pm

doc.end wrote:
jdm3 wrote:If Monta is unhappy and really wants out of GS can we make a play for him? He is in Atlanta so this would be closer to home for him. He can play SG so he and Felton could play side by side. I was playing with trade checker and it is hard to match him up with us but I came up with this trade.

Charlotte trades
Raja Bell
DJ Augustine
Desanga Diop

Warriors trade
Monta Ellis
Ronny Turiaf
Jemario Davidson

We could throw in some picks or something but I think this gives us the scoring punch we need. I hate to lose Bell but we need someone who can put up points night in night out. I hate losing DJ as well but GS needs a PG. I am honestly not sure this would be attractive to either side but was the best I could do on the trade checker.

if he can't get a moped in Charlotte...

Nah, seriously I wouldn't want Ellis and even less for Raja Bell. I'm not even sold on the thread title which suggesting a bit that Ellis is a centerpiece/best player in this trade. Anyway he doesn't fit. I can live with Turiaf and his hustle but we already had Davidson and let him go, so I don't see a future for him in Charlotte. DJ is out of question. Diop can be moved albeit I think LB and co. are still trying to get the most of him and he won't get traded soon (he could for the right deal of course). The problem is we don't want to have Nazr as first back up at center. He would have to improve a lot.

I was thinking Turiaf as first back up center and power forward. Davidson was a throw in to get the deal to work. I understand that people don't want Ellis and how some people feel about DJ and thought this my get shot down but I just wanted to put it out there and see what others had to say. I also think Ellis is the best player in the deal. He may have his problems but he is the best overall player in this group right now.

ccbballin · Post #9 » by **ccbballin** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:54 pm

No way could you give up DJ and Bell for Ellis. DJ is already a great shooter, dribbler, and occasionally distributor. Bell plays great D and can knock down shots.

Ellis is short and I doubt he could make up for the loss of DJ and Bell. If you could S&T Felton w/o either DJ or Bell then ....

Post #10 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:22 pm

man this is one of those trade scenarios that 2 years from now you look back and say... wow, that was HUGE or wow that was (Please Use More Appropriate Word). boom or bust.

ellis certainly has star potential. kid is young and a scoring machine. could develope into a 20+ppg threat for a long long time and we finally get our go to guy.

at the same time, it could kill defense, wreck chemistry and his contract kills us for next 5 years.

can i have a time machine and get back to you later?

Post #11 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:24 pm

Is it worse that I wanted to comment on how we should avoid GSW players because they've been a playoff team once in...forever OR that before I posted that I remembered where out GM came from?

Post #12 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:29 pm

if i was higgins, i ellis would not be a guy that was on my short list of trade targets.... i wouldnt be calling gs for him. BUT, if gs was the one calling, looking to move him, i would certainly be open to offers for him.

Post #13 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:43 pm

I don't really see a trade that would work. I guess DJ/Ajinça/Bell for Ellis after July 1 seems like it'd be close to working if we used our TEs.

A S&T with Felton would probably work, maybe we even pick up the qo on may to have some filler...

BeesWax · Post #14 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:32 pm

The trade I threw out there works using trade machine from ESPN.

Post #15 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:02 pm

Yea. I'm not convinced GSW does the trade in the op, but I definitely don't like it for us. I guess it would be nice to swap Turiaf for Diop.
edit: on second thought, they're going for the Ellis salary dump if they want to get rid of him this bad. Seems like a lot to give up if they're that desperate though, although we ought to be pretty desperate to move Gana, so a push. Interesting idea, I don't really want to root for a guy that hurt himself crashing a moped.

Rich4114 · Post #16 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:01 pm

I think I would do this trade. Look at it this way, we're essentially trading our current backup PG and an aging SG with only a few productive years left for a potential star.

Felton and Ellis in the back-court... I like that combo. DJ is great, but it's not that devastating having him and Felton in at the same time as it would be having Felton and Monta in there together.

Definitely a risk, because DJ could become a big time PG... but I would lean towards the side of looking back at passing this up 2 years from now and really regretting it.

Post #17 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:58 pm

I think Boris and Radman would be the only shooters on the entire team. What a difference a year makes!

old rem · Post #18 » by **old rem** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:30 pm

fatlever wrote:man this is one of those trade scenarios that 2 years from now you look back and say... wow, that was HUGE or wow that was (Please Use More Appropriate Word). boom or bust.

ellis certainly has star potential. kid is young and a scoring machine. could develope into a 20+ppg threat for a long long time and we finally get our go to guy.

at the same time, it could kill defense, wreck chemistry and his contract kills us for next 5 years.

can i have a time machine and get back to you later?

None of those ideas get you Ellis..who I gather some have hardly seen play. Could develop into a 20+ scorer? He already is that. Could develop into a 25+ scorer? Maybe. Could be a top PG? Maybe.

He isn't a locker room cancer or a bad contract. He's not a guy GSW really wants to trade.
If GSW traded him...getting an older SG would NOT be what GSW wants. Turiaf is a leader for GSW,the only C depth and a sweet contract. Was tops in the league in blocks per min.....another guy GSW won't trade unless it's a GREAT deal (and they also get a good C)

Post #19 » by **fatlever** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:03 pm

old rem, i think you misunderstood my quote. i said he "could develop into a 20+ppg score FOR A LONG TIME" meaning he has the talent to be a guy to average over 20ppg for many many seasons in a row or for a significant portion of his career, not just barely getting to 20pgg once or twice in his career. to date, ellis has only had one 20ppg season and that was barely over at 20.2, in nellie's system no doubt. getting 20+ppg for larry brown, on a much slower paced team, for many seasons in a row, thats a whole different ball game. ellis isnt quite there yet. sorry.

St.Nick · Post #20 » by **St.Nick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:16 am

Ellis was the third scorer the year he scored 20ppg. Last season he came back from a huge injury and still averaged 19 ppg.

Sorry fellas, but there isn't a single player on your roster whom we'd trade Ellis for. I don't think there are even two players we'd take in exchange for Ellis.