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After years of wanting the Bobcats to do well I have realized their glaring weakness is; they don't have a real star.

Wallace is a solid player and Okafor is a hard player to imagine not being a Bobcat, but maybe its time to take a gamble and trade these two. I see our team much more talented than the Sixers last year, but they still made the Playoffs even without Brand. Something just isn't meshing with our core even when all our guys are healthy.

LB has started to get some good roleplayers so this can be possible to build around a true star (Diaw,Bell,) and I think DJ is a definate keeper. As for Felton; I think he could be better with the right core. We just have some good pieces in place if we can find the right compliments for them.

The question is what kind of star could we get?

There's no need for a "Star" right now. We have a variety of scorers on our team who can get us at least 15ppg, and who knows how good Gerald Henderson will be.

Apart from that, I'm not ready to blow it all up and trade 2 of our core players away and seriously, what "Star" can we get? Do you really think the Wades, Roys and Pauls are willing to play in Charlotte?

Let us first see, how far we can get with our guys.

dlee_7283 wrote:After years of wanting the Bobcats to do well I have realized their glaring weakness is; they don't have a real star.

It took you years to figure that out? Sorry to hear that man. I hope other things in life come to you faster than that.

Yeah really, even the Raptors and Grizzs had stars when they first expanded and it's been 5 years. You just figured that out?
I don't know what's worse you just having that epofiny, GWallace3 saying we don't need a star or him saying one wouldn't play for us. Nobody would refuse to play in Charlotte.

When you think of a star, what do you think of? I think DOUBLE TEAM!! Every "Star" in the league demands a DOUBLE TEAM!! It has been time for a star. Although J-Rich gave us some great games and highlights he was not the star we thought he would be. He did not demand a DOUBLE TEAM!! I know we have alot of skeptics out there about Allen Iverson but we all know what he is capable of, even if he is a step slower(which I don't believe). Considering that he is being flat foot disrespected as a player right now I believe that any team that gets him next season is going to have a valubale asset. With that being said, I believe that a starting lineup of:
Felton-(Yes Raymond!! Just because he hasn't done what CP3 and Derron Williams have done he still
is a good PG, better than DJ!)
Iverson-(DOUBLE TEAM!!)
Wallace-(Crash Baby!! You already know what you gonna get!)
Diaw-(Hopefully LB teaches him better D and gets him to be more aggressive on Offense. I love the
flip shot, but DAMN!!)
Okafor-(It is what it is! It might not be pretty, but it's a DOUBLE DOUBLE!!)
=======================PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!PLAYOFFS!!!(Which is the goal people!)===========

This gives us DJ, Henderson, Bell, Radmonovich, Diop coming off the bench. Sounds good to me!

We are not getting Iverson. They offered him the 1.3 million dollar min. I figured LB would have offered the midlevel and for all 5 years to make the contract 33 million but there is no chance imo now. I can't even imagine it's negoitating because you don't start off with the min because it's insulting.

So with that said it has been time for us to get a star but it's no gonna happen. Our only chance of a star is Raymond Felton.

Mek- will not be a star.

Hendo-Will not be a star but could be a nice piece

Diaw-He is already in his prime and he is to inconsistant.

Gerald-He is awesome and there best player but more of a third best player on a contender.

DJ-He has great potential and can be a 18 and 7 guy. He could be a top 10 pg in the league but he can not be the best player on a championship contender. He is at best a third best player. He is just to small. If he was 2 inches taller he would have gone second in the draft. He will probably always be a defensive liability to with that size.

Raymond Felton-1.He has the allstar star can be first or 2nd best guy on a winning team, go to guy. He still shoots a low % but the Cats can't score and give it to him with 5 seconds left and he has to take bad shots at all the time.
2.If he does hit the 3 at a high % and gets the midrange shot down fairly decent Felton will be unstoppable. It takes some pg's a few years to get it. Remember Nash? Devin Harris took a while.
3.Ray has very good defensive potential, very good. Possibly all nba a year here and there or at least votes.
4.He has perfect size. 6'1 and he is muscler as anybody else out there. No pg's can really push him around.
5.He is extremely athletic.

Right now Raymond Felton is not a star but he clearly has the potential. He can be right below Paul and Williams, Rose and be in the Rando, Westbrook, Parker category. I put Westbrook in there because he's gonna be a better version of Rando.

Raymond Felton will never be an all-star, let alone a double-team commanding "star" of the sort we're talking about here. We're 4 years into the Felton experience, and he has never gotten any better on the offensive end. Actually, his rookie PER of 14.2 remains his career high, which is still below-average.

Even notorious late bloomer Chauncey Billups had shown more at the equivalent point in his career, especially in terms of shooting efficiency.

The fact is, no one on our team has that potential. The only way we're getting one is by a trade offer on a young gunner who is not yet in the untouchable phase of his career, or by striking it rich in the draft. That is the main reason I was so down on the Henderson pick, because he doesn't have that level of potential.

Rondo, by the way, is definitely not a star by any definition, especially not in terms of commanding double-teams.

Right now Raymond Felton is not a star but he clearly has the potential. He can be right below Paul and Williams, Rose and be in the Rando, Westbrook, Parker category. I put Westbrook in there because he's gonna be a better version of Rando.

....Not.

here's a good post by Paydro70 that sums it up pretty good

He's legitimately one of the quicker PGs in the league, has good explosion, and is quite strong given that he's only 6'0". Despite his unremarkable length, his speed and strength allow him to be a good, perhaps even very good, defender, which is probably his single best aspect at this point in his career. It also helps make him an above-average, though not exceptional, rebounder for a point guard.

That speed, coupled with a solid handle, allows him to penetrate and get to the rim quite well, where he is, unfortunately, completely incompetent. Always has been, perhaps always will be. This should tell you pretty much all you need to know: http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT12.HTM

The other part of his scoring game, his jump shot, is a mixed bag. His 3pter has never been good, and this year it actually took a step backwards into the "oh god he should never shoot those" level (28%). His midrange, on the other hand, has actually been pretty good, especially this year. As you might imagine that translates into him being a pretty good FT shooter (80%) but he's unexceptional at getting there, so his overall package (TS%) is quite low.

Felton's passing ability is probably where most of the drama has been on this board. His numbers are slightly skewed by spending some time at the 2-guard, but still, his turnover rate isn't too bad and he does produce a good number of assists. I think he's probably an average PG in terms of playmaking ability.

As for intangibles, as noted, he's a mental winner... he's an iron man and workout warrior, never says anything wrong, and as far as I know is a saint off the court. It just doesn't make up for the fact that he misses a crapload of shots and isn't exactly Jason Kidd as a distributor either.

and

arh1109 wrote:
He has the mentality of a winner but the talent of a loser.

Sorry but, Felton will never be more than a 3rd option on an other team, just like our other guys.

Yes, he's a legit 14/7 guy but he will always be an awful shooter and medicore playmaker.

thruthefire wrote:May is the best scoring big man this team has ever had.

12 ppg in 24 mpg isn't easy.

The sad thing is we have a guy who could easily be a star our go to guy and he is even a big man but he just won't do the work but if he did we would be special, contenders in the East as a top 5 team.
May actually is the best low post scorer the Bobcats ever had. If he was healthy and could stay in shape he would be a bigtime scorer. He is a guy with all the potential in the world but no drive. If he resigned with the Bobcats and worked out all summer and just did cardio and tried to get as thin as possible and try and get fast as possible on work on defense sets, basically if he comes back with a love for the game and tries he could start be our go to scorer 1st option and we could easily make the playoffs. Maybe even contend for homecourt.

If May tried and came in at 250 and can play 35 minutes stamina wise and stay healthy and works hard all summer and is first option

Mek- 16 points 11 rebounds 2 blocks (with May scoring it will open up shots for Mek)

May- 20 points 8 rebounds 1 block

Wallace- 16 points 7 rebounds 1.5 blocks

Bell-12 points 4 assists

Felton-19 points 7 assists (a legit scorer would open easy shots for him and get him assists)


Bench
Diaw-12 points 5 rebounds 5 assists- He didn't work on the bench on the Suns but hopefully that was a fluke. I say give him minutes at all 3 positions up front and give him 28 minutes at least

Radman-10 points 3 rebounds-I think we trade him if May turned into a baller but maybe not

DJ-13 points 3 assists and a steal- He would basically play scorer off the bench. He could come in when Raja leaves or Felton. Like Diaw give him 29 minutes or so.

Hendo-20 minutes 7 points with a block and a steal. Assists and rebounds won't be high. He gets 20 minutes because LB will probably play him 25 minutes 1 game and 5 the next but Bell will miss some games.

Diop-5 points 5 rebounds 2 blocks. I wouldn't play him alot but Lb would.


Now if May worked out, stayed healthy, and ate nothing but veggies and protein shakes and got quicker for D and did get his 20 which he would the ripple effect would give us a 3 headed monster. It would make Raymond Felton's assists go up plus his shooting % which boosts his confidence and we all know the potential is there so he becomes a star because he is basically a pg with no help and young so that would change and he would be a 2nd option or maybe even the first or possibly tied with May so we would have 2 go to scorers which would be an inside outside combo and the perfect 3rd option in Gerald. Then our 4th and 5th best players are Diaw and DJ and Mek.
With the right coaching that could put us with the Magic and the Cavs.

The reality of the situation is though Sean May can't stop going to Burger King he can't stay healthy and he can't guard any pf because he is to fat and slow and his laterall quickness is pathetic.
It's a shame. May and Felton were my favorite college players of alltime along with James Forrest (never made it) Jerry Stackhouse, Marcus Camby, Randolph Childress.
In the begining of the college season I thought May was going to go 2nd overall until the mocks came out. That is how high I thought his potential was. I know it's not now but he can be a 20 10 1.5 guy if he wanted. I am down 90 pounds since December. Why can't he?

Possibly the most delusional stat predictions I have ever seen.

Ever.

Dexmor...

May- 20 points 8 rebounds 1 block
And Diop statistics...

May God hear you xD.

Now,I don´t think that could happen...it´s too good to be real,it reminds me a comment of Antoni Daimiel (Spanish journalist) commenting a game,he said: If the Magic starte knocking the 3 pointers and stealing the ball and making easy shots,they´re going to win this game.The same with your post ,if May becomes a Pau Gasol,Felton a Billups and Okafor the next Olajuwon,we would make the playoffs for sure.

But I agree that is a pity what happened to May,we could be an easy 6th seed,or something like that...

holy crap, what happened in this thread, lol

ABSOLUTELY NOT THE TIME FOR A STAR
We have got to keep building via trades and draft. Alot of good young players out there that will have star potential. Our draft was good and filled holes. If brandon bass 25 year 3yr rumor is true and we are the team that would give us more flexibility at 4 behind diaw and at 3 using brown behind wallace. If we could pull off deal with memphis sending okafor for gasol,jarko, 2010 protected 1st...,, I think we are ready and have a deep bench.. 15 player roster looks like...
Felt dj Dontell
jarko, henderson bell
wallace radmon derick
diaw brandon aljencia
okafore,diop nazr

Rich4114 wrote:holy crap, what happened in this thread, lol

Pretty much the same thing that happens in all threads. Some sort of Felton debate takes over. Death, taxes and Felton debates are pretty much all we can count on in life.

Every bobcat forum i see has us trading Okafor for Marko Jaric and Marc Gasol?? Granted i like Gasol.. but Marko Jaric?? Unless where trying to make his wife a courtside regular... there is no need for him to be in Charlotte... seriously???

But as far as a star player goes... we don't need one.. we just need a leader... remember.. the pistons when they won in the mid 2000's didn't have a superstar.... they had a bunch of guys who played the parts.... and a leader in C.Billiups.... stars win games... teams win championships..

I think we already have two potential stars on the team, maybe even three - and depending on what happens with Hendo, maybe even four.

Promote from within I say.

Word. Who knows if we drafted the next Dwyane Wade?

I can't wait to see Hendo play.

I'm with Paydro here, which is why I'm typically hoping for us to draft guys with a high upside... but yea, we need a trip to the playoffs, so I'll deal with whatever I have to to see us get there.

Dexmor wrote:

thruthefire wrote:May is the best scoring big man this team has ever had.

12 ppg in 24 mpg isn't easy.

The sad thing is we have a guy who could easily be a star our go to guy and he is even a big man but he just won't do the work but if he did we would be special, contenders in the East as a top 5 team.
May actually is the best low post scorer the Bobcats ever had. If he was healthy and could stay in shape he would be a bigtime scorer. He is a guy with all the potential in the world but no drive. If he resigned with the Bobcats and worked out all summer and just did cardio and tried to get as thin as possible and try and get fast as possible on work on defense sets, basically if he comes back with a love for the game and tries he could start be our go to scorer 1st option and we could easily make the playoffs. Maybe even contend for homecourt.

If May tried and came in at 250 and can play 35 minutes stamina wise and stay healthy and works hard all summer and is first option

Mek- 16 points 11 rebounds 2 blocks (with May scoring it will open up shots for Mek)

May- 20 points 8 rebounds 1 block

Wallace- 16 points 7 rebounds 1.5 blocks

Bell-12 points 4 assists

Felton-19 points 7 assists (a legit scorer would open easy shots for him and get him assists)

DThompson26 wrote:Every bobcat forum i see has us trading Okafor for Marko Jaric and Marc Gasol?? Granted i like Gasol.. but Marko Jaric?? Unless where trying to make his wife a courtside regular... there is no need for him to be in Charlotte... seriously???

But as far as a star player goes... we don't need one.. we just need a leader... remember.. the pistons when they won in the mid 2000's didn't have a superstar.... they had a bunch of guys who played the parts.... and a leader in C.Billiups.... stars win games... teams win championships..

They didn't have a "superstar" but had the defensive player of the year and like 5 all stars in their starting lineup lol.

We don't have any potential stars right now aside from maybe Hendo. I don't think Hendo will be a star but i'm not ruling it out just yet.