Seems Like the Jazz Should Send Boozer to Bobcats

Mezotarkus · Post #1 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:55 pm

Reports are Boozer was told Jazz are going in a different direction though I think that direction was before Millsap signed an offer sheet with the Blazers. If the Jazz are still intent on moving Boozer then we should make a deal. Management has botched enough drafts to make this team mediocre for years to come - destined for #8-#13 draft positions.

Why don't we offer Okafor, Raja Bell's expiring contract, and a future protected first rounder for Boozer (assuming Boozer agrees to and signs an extension)? This deal could be especially appealing if they choose not to match for Millsap.

Jazz depth charge might be something like this:

C - Okur/Collins
PF - Okafor/Kirilenko
SF - Kirilenko/Miles/Korver
SG - Brewer/Bell/Korver
PG - Williams/Knight

Bobcats depth charge might be something like this:
C - Diop/Mohammed
PF - Boozer/Diaw/Howard
SF - Wallace/Radmanovic
SG - Henderson/Felton
PG - Felton/Augustin

Rich4114 · Post #2 » by **Rich4114** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:23 pm

I do agree we should be a team in the mix for Boozer, but it should not include Okafor and instead include one of Diaw or Wallace.

Utah has been a team that has liked Wallace for years and I think they feel they could run AK-47 at PF while Wallace steps in at SF. Of course if it were Diaw then he just steps right back in at PF, but I'd feel better giving up Wallace instead. So something based on the main pieces being Boozer and Wallace or Diaw I think is a good fit for both teams. We couldn't deal any draft picks because we already owe one next year potentially.

Besides, I think the Jazz feel like Boozer would most likely not resign there after his contract is up anyway. I do think he would consider Charlotte long term if the contract was offered since his family is in the area.

Worst case scenario, Boozer doesn't resign with us next year and we end up with a nice chunk of cap room to make some offers for some of the other equivalent FA's.

Mezotarkus · Post #3 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:57 pm

I'd be fine with moving Wallace instead. However, I do not think Wallace would be enough for the Jazz. Neither Kirilenko nor Diaw are good replacements for Boozer at PF. The Jazz were not a great rebounding team last even with Boozer's rebounding. Swapping Boozer for Diaw/Kirilenko would make them one of the worst (probably in the bottom 3 or 4 teams). They have to replace Boozer with an equivalent rebounder or near equivalent rebounder for a trade to make sense.

Fred Williamson · Post #4 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:19 pm

There's no chance we can get Boozer in a deal that does not involve Okafor.

Although I'm not a fan of Boozer. This guy wants a load of money and has always something to b*tch about. His offense is overrated and his defense is nonexistent.

Diaw+Okafor >>>>>>>>> Boozer+Diop

pass.

thruthefire · Post #5 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:31 pm

That's way too much to give up for Boozer -- Okafor/Bell/and a 1st?

I'll take an Okafor/Diaw/Wallace/Bell/Felton lineup over a Diop/Boozer/Wallace/Henderson/Felton lineup, any day. We'd be depleted at shooting guard and at center.

Honestly, unless they want to do a straight up swap for Wallace or Diaw, I'm passing.

And what about Milsap? Isn't retaining Milsap the reason the Jazz want to get rid of Boozer?

Sledge · Post #6 » by **Sledge** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:32 pm

The Jazz at this point have lost some leverage, or at least enough of it that there isn't a reason for us to offer up Bell, Okafor and a pick.

thruthefire · Post #7 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:43 pm

Sledge wrote:The Jazz at this point have lost some leverage, or at least enough of it that there isn't a reason for us to offer up Bell, Okafor and a pick.

I don't think there ever was enough leverage for us to offer up that trio.

Rich4114 · Post #8 » by **Rich4114** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:39 pm

If the Jazz don't match Millsap's offer, then I couldn't imagine them dealing Boozer away. But the Jazz are one of those teams that really are good trading partners with us. If they do keep Millsap, I say offer Utah Wallace for Boozer (with fillins to make it work) and see if they bite. What are the other offers they're getting for Boozer?

People have to remember, if you're the Jazz the approach you're taking is we're most likely losing Boozer for nothing next summer - so what can we turn him into now that we get long term.

From our standpoint, if we do lose a guy like Boozer, we get some of that cap money back to try and improve.

Felton
Raja
Diaw
Boozer
Okafor

That's a nice starting 5 if you ask me.

Fred Williamson · Post #9 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:51 pm

Sorry, but this would be a horrible starting lineup. Diaw is too slow to guard small forwards.

Bassman · Post #10 » by **Bassman** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:55 pm

I would love to get Boozer. Boozer's offensive game and rebounding would help our weaknesses there. My main concern would be relative to signing him to future years, which would cost us more than Okafor will. But Boozer has a lot more tread on the tires...I mean, the guy just turns 28 this November!! Yes, he's had some injury issues. But I think he might welcome coming back to NC, where he has family. Every player is one play away from a career ending issue; since I cannot predict the future I'm not scared off by Boozer's nicks.

If it took Okafor for Boozer, I'd do it. Diaw is valuable but he cannot deliver offensively like Carlos can. Diaw could come off the bench as our super 6th man....we still need a PF! Doing this puts us in position to try Boozer out for a year...see what he brings us. If he is a bust, or is clearly an injury liability, we let him walk next year. While that's a big loss, it's also a big cap relief (coupled with Bell's expiring) that would give us flexibility to sign a quality PF in free agency.

I doubt Utah does it since they already signed Okur to a 2 year extension. Okafor for Boozer still puts them into luxury tax land.

thruthefire · Post #11 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:22 pm

GWallace3 wrote:Sorry, but this would be a horrible starting lineup. Diaw is too slow to guard small forwards.

Even though small forward isn't his best position, that would be far from a horrible lineup.

blackham9258 · Post #12 » by **blackham9258** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:22 am

Jazz fan here: We would love to do a Boozer for Okafor trade. I actually think we would be willing to do it, and send you Harprings expiring contract for Radmonivic. That way you guys clear over 18M in cap for next season. No need to send us bell or a pick. Okafor is who we want and crave. He would be our defensive center we have been lacking and the Jazz would still match Milsap.

Bassman · Post #13 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:53 am

blackham9258 wrote:Jazz fan here: We would love to do a Boozer for Okafor trade. I actually think we would be willing to do it, and send you Harprings expiring contract for Radmonivic. That way you guys clear over 18M in cap for next season. No need to send us bell or a pick. Okafor is who we want and crave. He would be our defensive center we have been lacking and the Jazz would still match Milsap.

Done deal for me! :rock:

Rich4114 · Post #14 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:26 am

I just read the Pistons turned down a Prince for Boozer deal. Sounds like we could definitely offer Wallace for Boozer.

tester551 · Post #15 » by **tester551** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:26 am

Rich4114 wrote:I just read the Pistons turned down a Prince for Boozer deal. Sounds like we could definitely offer Wallace for Boozer.

I posted a 3 way on your board not too long ago and everyone shot it down. Charlotte's involvement was Wallace for Boozer.

Here it is again....
1) Jazz match offer on Millsap.

Jazz send Boozer & get Outlaw + cap space.
Cats send Wallace & get Boozer
Trailblazers send Outlaw + cap space & get Wallace.

If Charlotte is really willing to trade Wallace for Boozer - I think this is a perfect solution for all 3 teams.

Fred Williamson · Post #16 » by **Fred Williamson** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:39 am

There's no chance in hell, I deal Wallace+X for Boozer, unless we can get a scorer at SG/SF back. Of course Wallace is not the definition of a "go to guy", but he's the only one on this team who can more or less, score at will. With Boozer as our first option, we will be a worse team than last year.

Yes, we would fill a need if we add Boozer, but our need for scorer at the wing position would be bigger than ever before.

Losing Wallace and having Boozer on a 1year rental? No thanks.
Make a deal with a 3rd team, that sends us a scorer at the SG/SF position back, and I think about it.

GoBobs · Post #17 » by **GoBobs** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:01 pm

Oak and Vlad for Boz plus Harp is tempting but only if we really think we can use the cap space to sign Lebron. Otherwise Oak is to good to give up in this deal.

Wallace is way to good to give up at this point.

thruthefire · Post #18 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:16 pm

tester551 wrote:I posted a 3 way on your board not too long ago and everyone shot it down. Charlotte's involvement was Wallace for Boozer.

Here it is again....
1) Jazz match offer on Millsap.

Jazz send Boozer & get Outlaw + cap space.
Cats send Wallace & get Boozer
Trailblazers send Outlaw + cap space & get Wallace.

If Charlotte is really willing to trade Wallace for Boozer - I think this is a perfect solution for all 3 teams.

I'll do it. Okafor and Boozer would be a great tandem.

The only problem is if Boozer bails after the first season. We know for a fact his word means nothing, so we would need something on paper ... if you can do that.

Ofcourse, if Diaw ever decides he wants to get after it on the glass, and grabs 3 more rebounds a game, this could all be avoided. But then again, Boozer is an absolute animal on the glass and a hell of a scorer.

Okafor/Boozer/Diaw

or

Okafor/Diaw/Boozer

That's tough, but I'll make the trade.

Rich4114 · Post #19 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:33 pm

tester551 wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:I just read the Pistons turned down a Prince for Boozer deal. Sounds like we could definitely offer Wallace for Boozer.

I posted a 3 way on your board not too long ago and everyone shot it down. Charlotte's involvement was Wallace for Boozer.

Here it is again....
1) Jazz match offer on Millsap.

Jazz send Boozer & get Outlaw + cap space.
Cats send Wallace & get Boozer
Trailblazers send Outlaw + cap space & get Wallace.

If Charlotte is really willing to trade Wallace for Boozer - I think this is a perfect solution for all 3 teams.

I'd definitely do this trade.

You're going to get people (homers) who think our players are worth more than they are - but Boozer is a clear cut offensive PF. Not only that, but he can rebound. If you look at our team, we've always sucked at two things - scoring and rebounding. I hate to give up Wallace too, but if you can replace him with a guy like Boozer than it's worth it.

The other point of this is say worst case scenario - WORST case this guy bails next summer for another team. We at least get cap space back to make a move in the best FA class ever. I think he'd resign with us if we offered though.

We could still use the MLE on a decent wing at that point and now you're looking at a serious player in the East instead of a team hoping for a 7th or 8th seed.

Dexmor · Post #20 » by **Dexmor** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:47 pm

There is 1 of 2 realistic possibilities of teams who really want Boozer and teams that want Boozer and it works out better for the Jazz. Were not getting Boozer.

Heat for Expiring contracts and Beasley
The Bulls 3 way with Portland. They would be able to match Millsap and get TThomas.

There not gonna take our guys.

Now see me I can fantasize about trades that make sence or that aren't rumors that it isn't true like for example I would stop talking about AI if he said his 2 teams were gonna be grizz and Heat I would automatically give up. Time to give up on Boozer talks guys.