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I noticed the following article earlier today..

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... g_martin/#

Basically, following a 17 win season and the drafting of Tyreke Evans, the Kings are rumored to be opening up to the prospect of dealing Kevin Martin.

So, how about

Felton (Sign and trade at 7-7.5 mil per)
Okafor
Ajinca

For

Martin
Hawes
Shareef’s 6.6 mil expiring contract (He’s already retired but I am working under the assumption that the contract is still tradable since it doesn’t expire until next year? If not, they’ve got Kenny Thomas and a couple other expirings.)


Why for Sacramento?

This team won 17 games and was going nowhere.

Tyrke Evans was drafted to be their future. He can play some point and excelled doing so for a couple months last year in college but his bread and butter will be as a career volume scorer at the two. The problem is that another volume scorer, Martin, already occupies that 2 spot and is being paid over 10 mil per year long term.

They’d give up a lot in Martin and Hawes but in return get two former top 5 lottery picks in their career primes.

Felton gives them the young, high caliber point guard they have so sorely lacked since Bibby and allows Evans to slide right over to the shooting guard spot where the two of them can wreak havoc on opposing defenses.

Okafor is a double-double machine and is now, I believe, the only player to average a double-double each of the past 5 seasons other than Dwight Howard. He would be a huge upgrade over Hawes in the rebounding and post defense department. With EO next to Jason Thompson, they’d have an imposing front line.

Ajinca gives them a young, low risk, high potential center prospect –another first round selection- who has a season under his belt and is under contract cheap for the next 4 years.

Sacramento’s receptiveness to such a deal would hinge largely on whether or not they wish to compete now or plan on being a lotto team for the next several years with an eye on competing 3-4 years from now.

They could instantly add 20+ wins and would be good enough to immediately compete with declining teams like Phoenix and New Orleans (who are apparently in financial trouble and might face the luxury tax to boot http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... _deal_him/ ) for the final spot in the West.

Okafor / Thompson / Ajinca
Thompson / May /Donte Green
Nocioni / Casspi
Evans / Garcia
Felton / Udrih / Rodriguez


Why for Charlotte

Their current roster MAY be good enough to secure the final spot for the post season in the East but they wont be going anywhere once the get there. This deal, along with a FA PG signing to temper the loss of Felton, should improve them enough to not only make the post season, but possibly even get a higher seed and win a series.

Charlotte ranked dead last in offense for the entire league last year. This was a corollary to their lack of any player who could create their own shot. Martin would rectify this problem immediately. He comes with a hefty price tag but he is still relatively young at 26 and is one of the top scorers in the league.

Hawes is a definite downgrade from Okafor but it’s the price that would have to be paid to acquire a player like martin. Hawes is young, still on his rookie contract, and has the makings of a pretty good center. He’s hardly the elite rebounder or defender Okafor is but he’s solid. And as an added bonus, he has some offensive moves in the post and can even play some 4 in certain situations.

Charlotte could then offer the MLE and a starting gig to Sessions, offer a shorter 1-2 year deal to a talented veteran like Andre Miller, or if neither of those prove feasible, sign a lesser veteran guard and hand the keys to DJ.

The move would largely be cost neutral for this season and Reef’s 6.6 million contract would come off the books at year’s end. When Bell expires at years end, Hendo would be waiting in the wings as the primary backup SG.




Hawes / Diop / Nazr
Diaw / Vlad / cheap FA banger (Sheldon Williams or Diogu)
Wallace / UPS
Martin / Bell / Henderson
Sessions @ MLE (or Andre Miller @ a 1-2 year deal) / DJ

That's way too much to give up for Martin.

I don't think it's bad at all... Hawes isn't chopped liver, and we'd be getting a nice chunk of change back in Reef's expiring. I don't see it making us much better, but it's pretty fair value.

Value wise:

Okafor = Martin (more or less)
Hawes > Felton (on potential)
Ajinca >>> Shareef

Slightly favorable to SAC I think, but not terrible. I'm not willing to trade one of our core unless it CLEARLY makes us better, which this does not IMO. Also, not willing to give up on Jinx, even though I'm sure there are some who would take the deal just to be rid of a promising 7-footer and his cheap rookie deal.

I think SAC would consider that highly overpaying on their part. They're supposedly mega high on Hawes and Martin ain't chopped liver either. You'd at least have to swap out Felton for DJ (potential/rookie deal) and even then I think they'd balk.

For me personally I just don't see enough of the Kings to judge one way or the other...but on the face of it I think it favors us as well. Salary overall is a big thing; over the life of the contracts Mek's = everything we take back plus they'd have Felton's 6 year deal (since he'd have to approve the trade I'd assume he'd get close to what he wants). I could be wrong but I doubt they'd see Lex tipping it to even.

Assuming Hawes is as good as their fans think it's good value for us as Paydro said.

I'd seriously have to think about that.... It's not the usual rubbish we see here in Okafor trades.

No way, this trade doesn't make us a lick better nor does it do that much for us long term. If we don't make the playoffs this year then just trade everyone for picks and cap space, not potentially crappier players. Sure Martin would be nice, but not at that expense.

If a trade between us were to happen for Martin, I think it would be Augustin + Nazr for Martin. Probably enough value going both ways but I'd imagine Sac fans would moan about it.

arh1109 wrote:If a trade between us were to happen for Martin, I think it would be Augustin + Nazr for Martin. Probably enough value going both ways but I'd imagine Sac fans would moan about it.

I don't see it being too far off, either. Sacto needs a point guard, and Evans seems like the 2-guard of the future. Financially, it would help also.

Rich4114 wrote:No way, this trade doesn't make us a lick better nor does it do that much for us long term. If we don't make the playoffs this year then just trade everyone for picks and cap space, not potentially crappier players. Sure Martin would be nice, but not at that expense.

Rich, I get the impression that you arent too familiar with Hawes. He would not be a bit player or filler. He would be just as important a component to Charlotte in this deal as Martin. As Spectre alluded, the Kings are very high on him. So high, that I too doubt that they would ultimately even consent to the proposed trade - although I think they'd look long and hard at it.

Hawes is very young, only 21 years old (1988 dob) and had he stayed in school and come out this past draft, he would have been a top 5 pick, hands down. He's very advanced offensively and a Divac level passer. While he's no Okafor on defense, he still does a decent job and will block some shots. His numbers are modest only because his minutes were limited while they groomed him behind brad miller, who was eventually dealt at the end of the season. I'd say his floor is a 14 and 8 center with a 20 and 10 ceiling that he may well reach some day.

Martin is deadly offensively and would be the most potent scorer the city has seen since Glen Rice during the lockout era. And he's not only a gifted shooter either. He drives to the rim and gets to the line better than almost anyone. I think last year, only dwight howard got to the line at a higher rate. His last game of the season, he scored 50 on a bad ankle and stepped to the foul line over 20 times in the process. He's a high character guy and supposedly very coachable. He wont shut anyone down on defense but he's not close to being a Morrisonesque liabiliy either and holds his own.

A few people here have indicated that there is no way they would consider this trade - I think you'd find that you'd get the exact same responses from alot of Sac fans. Ultimately, as I mentioned, the only reason sac would consider such a deal is if they succumb to the pressure to get good instantly and make the playoffs now. It would make them better in the immediate future (ie the next 3 seasons) but does so partially at the expense of the long term future (ie 6 years down the road when Hawes would be 27).

Sacramento just faces a real delimma having drafted Evans, a big time scorer at the SG, to be the future face of their franchise while they have Martin already there at the same position with a big contract. To boot, as currently structured, theyre destined to be a lotto team for the next three years.

The smart thing for them to do, long term, would be to stand pat and build for the future. The problem is that they are hemorrhaging money and are dead last in the league in attendance -- they even, believe it or not, avg 2k fewer tickets sold per game than we do. There is tremendous pressure for them to put a winning product on the floor sooner rather than later. This would accomplish that goal and, in my opinion, help us in the process.

thruthefire wrote:

arh1109 wrote:If a trade between us were to happen for Martin, I think it would be Augustin + Nazr for Martin. Probably enough value going both ways but I'd imagine Sac fans would moan about it.

I don't see it being too far off, either. Sacto needs a point guard, and Evans seems like the 2-guard of the future. Financially, it would help also.

While my first preference would be the complete overhaul cited above, if Sac would scoff at the Hawes for Okafor component, I really like arh and truth's DJ/Nazr proposal as an alternative. Perhaps Charlotte could also net Sergio back in the deal to back up Felton at the point.

Kevin Martin would be an awesome two guard on this team. I'd trade DJ for him. They aren't trading Hawes, Sac fans think Hawes has more value than any Charlotte Bobcat.

DJ/Mek/Diop
for
Kev Mart/Hawes/SAR's exp(insurance coverage?)

You guys are talking crazy, we need to make a salary cap trade. We should not trade Okafor.

I'd do DJ/Nazr for Kevin Martin str8 up and they can probably have Henderson too.

dmutombo321 wrote:

Rich4114 wrote:No way, this trade doesn't make us a lick better nor does it do that much for us long term. If we don't make the playoffs this year then just trade everyone for picks and cap space, not potentially crappier players. Sure Martin would be nice, but not at that expense.

Rich, I get the impression that you arent too familiar with Hawes. He would not be a bit player or filler. He would be just as important a component to Charlotte in this deal as Martin. As Spectre alluded, the Kings are very high on him. So high, that I too doubt that they would ultimately even consent to the proposed trade - although I think they'd look long and hard at it.

Hawes is very young, only 21 years old (1988 dob) and had he stayed in school and come out this past draft, he would have been a top 5 pick, hands down. He's very advanced offensively and a Divac level passer. While he's no Okafor on defense, he still does a decent job and will block some shots. His numbers are modest only because his minutes were limited while they groomed him behind brad miller, who was eventually dealt at the end of the season. I'd say his floor is a 14 and 8 center with a 20 and 10 ceiling that he may well reach some day.

Martin is deadly offensively and would be the most potent scorer the city has seen since Glen Rice during the lockout era. And he's not only a gifted shooter either. He drives to the rim and gets to the line better than almost anyone. I think last year, only dwight howard got to the line at a higher rate. His last game of the season, he scored 50 on a bad ankle and stepped to the foul line over 20 times in the process. He's a high character guy and supposedly very coachable. He wont shut anyone down on defense but he's not close to being a Morrisonesque liabiliy either and holds his own.

A few people here have indicated that there is no way they would consider this trade - I think you'd find that you'd get the exact same responses from alot of Sac fans. Ultimately, as I mentioned, the only reason sac would consider such a deal is if they succumb to the pressure to get good instantly and make the playoffs now. It would make them better in the immediate future (ie the next 3 seasons) but does so partially at the expense of the long term future (ie 6 years down the road when Hawes would be 27).

Sacramento just faces a real delimma having drafted Evans, a big time scorer at the SG, to be the future face of their franchise while they have Martin already there at the same position with a big contract. To boot, as currently structured, theyre destined to be a lotto team for the next three years.

The smart thing for them to do, long term, would be to stand pat and build for the future. The problem is that they are hemorrhaging money and are dead last in the league in attendance -- they even, believe it or not, avg 2k fewer tickets sold per game than we do. There is tremendous pressure for them to put a winning product on the floor sooner rather than later. This would accomplish that goal and, in my opinion, help us in the process.

thruthefire wrote:

arh1109 wrote:If a trade between us were to happen for Martin, I think it would be Augustin + Nazr for Martin. Probably enough value going both ways but I'd imagine Sac fans would moan about it.

I don't see it being too far off, either. Sacto needs a point guard, and Evans seems like the 2-guard of the future. Financially, it would help also.

While my first preference would be the complete overhaul cited above, if Sac would scoff at the Hawes for Okafor component, I really like arh and truth's DJ/Nazr proposal as an alternative. Perhaps Charlotte could also net Sergio back in the deal to back up Felton at the point.

This is a very fair assessment. Kudos.

The only thing incorrect is that Evans in our eyes is not pure a 2 guard. We will groom him as a point guard from the get go. There is some talks that Evans will be our starting point guard on opening day or some time in the first month.

The original deal is pretty bad for the Kings. We trade away our best player and our best big prospect for Okafor (Which I really like by the way), Felton (Which I don't really like at all) and Ajinca.

(And by the way, DJ for Martin basis is pretty silly for the Kings. Not only it is far away from value but we will have four point guards after this: Beno, Evans, DJ, and Rodriguez. Too much money on that one position).

The Kings rather stay pat and develop our young core and eventually add another high pick to the roster (John Wall, Favors?)

Also, Abdur-Rahim's contract is already completely clear from the Kings' cap due to medical retirement. So, it is impossible to use his contract in trades.

I don't know about this. Hawes is just an average jump shooting big man à la Brad Miller, and a bad defender as well.

Duto123--Your logic behind this trade is outstanding for both clubs--I also believe Hawes would step up and stats would get better.. Martin definitely gives us the scoring while using Henderson as defensive backup.. We add a duke and western carolina players to our mix which just might sell more tickets than you think.. Also this makes Bell expendable to trade with Nazr to dump salary to another team and pick up another veteran pf or pg
Win-win for everybody.. Good Job--We need you to head up our player evaluation and scouting team

With this trade we get soft. Hawes will not intimidate anybody. I like this trade for Kevin Martin but it seems like we are shaking up this team too much just for a need.

I do like this trade. I think it would brighten the future of the team while still keeping us in the position to fight for a playoff spot this coming season. However I don't see Sacramento doing this, and even if they would, I can't see LB agreeing to it. We lose a lot of defense and toughness with this trade as well as taking a slight hit in the rebounding department. A total no-go for LB IMO.

I'm all for trading for Kevin Martin, but not at the expense of exchanging Okafor for Hawes and Felton for the expiring of Shariff Adbdur-Rahim