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felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 4:39 pm
by thesneakysneak
just a quick one, i just saw a link on another site about the cats interest in mccants.
do you think there is a possibility that we go after iverson and mccants as apposed to felton taking up the remainder of the cap?

i personally wouldn't mind this option if LB wants to go with it. dont get me wrong i dont mind felton but i think its time to throw dj into the mix more and get a reliable scorer. mccants honestly hasn't shown all too much yet but for the minimum or close to it, i wouldn't mind him on the roster. we could get them both for less than felton wants at the moment if the reports of felton holding out for 7 mill hold true also.

this could be a pretty short sighted plan but i think we should do all we can to push for that inaugural post season spot and this could potentially get us there, or not. what do you think?

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 4:52 pm
by Battery
Funny thing, just now I did a google search on the internets for worst thread ever at realgm.com and it magically directed me here.


:roll:

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 5:04 pm
by Fred Williamson
Well, there is a good reason why McCants is still a free agent.

Apart from that, Iverson and McCants on the same team? :o Gimme a break.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 5:05 pm
by thesneakysneak
haha if you say so

seriously though,
im for iverson on this team and i dont really wanna have a lot of money committed to felton for lots of years when we have dj here who has the potential to be a better and more consistent pg than felton.

save money and have short term contracts as well as fill out the roster. isnt that what bob is all about while trying to sell up? cheap and competitive?
just a possible way the f.o. could go.
or do you think the interest is coming from felton resigning and then mccants using up the rest of the cap?

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 5:36 pm
by thruthefire
I'll take McCants over Hendo.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 5:46 pm
by Rich4114
Why would we bring on two more SG's and lose one PG?

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 6:38 pm
by Battery
thruthefire wrote:I'll take McCants over Hendo.



Not surprising. You haven't seen Henderson play one minute in the NBA and you're ready to dump him for another midget SG who really can't shoot, doesn't pass all that much, has been up and down on defense, doesn't rebound, and has a questionable attitude. Yup, sounds like your kind of player.


Mike D'Antoni in an interview after the draft was asked the question can you give me a player or two who you think is underrated and will be a good pro. His immediate response was Gerald Henderson. He said that both he and Donnie Walsh were extremely high on him and thought his game translates much better to the pro game than college. Time will tell, but first we need to give him some time.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 7:01 pm
by CatNation
Henderson and McCants are like polar opposites. Hendo can't and won't score, but hopefully can provide some decent defense and some nice finishers a la Dahntay Jones. Unfortunately his shooting is atrocious but at least we have DJ in that department.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2009 7:46 pm
by Felton for Pres
Is "sneaky" really Dexmor? He's always had a crush on McCants.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 5:56 am
by WaydownSouth
McCants.... pass.

GWallace is right, there are reasons why he is still a free agent.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 7:53 am
by truthbtold21
And there is a reason you guys are not gm's,just because a guy is still a free agent doesn't always mean something is wrong with him,maybe he doesn't fit a team need,maybe they don't have the salary cap room or maybe just maybe, he doesn't wanna play for that certain team ever think about that.McCants is still a very good and young player, no matter what some of you think and he can play ball,raja will be gone soon either at the end of the year or before that,so mccants will be a welcome addition,he and hendo.Some of you may like to stay the same bottom of the cellar team,but alot of us don't and if he can help us get there like he helped my tar heels then im all for it. Open your eyes people the east has gotten way better then what we have on our roster,and we need to try and keep up the the joneses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6C4-khm2Q
ill take that kind of passion anyday.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 8:24 am
by WaydownSouth
right........sure......... yeah, believe that........

In today's market McCants is dirt cheap, he's a minimum contract. If he didn't have skeletons in the closet then he would of been signed by now. McCants ain't going to do jack**** to any win/loss ratio for any team in the NBA, nor is he going to vault a team to the next level.

McCants ain't in any position to start dictating what team he will suit for and what team he won't suit for, the guy is begging for a contract. By signing McCants we ain't keeping up with the Joneses.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 9:55 am
by truthbtold21
WaydownSouth wrote:right........sure......... yeah, believe that........

In today's market McCants is dirt cheap, he's a minimum contract. If he didn't have skeletons in the closet then he would of been signed by now. McCants ain't going to do jack**** to any win/loss ratio for any team in the NBA, nor is he going to vault a team to the next level.

McCants ain't in any position to start dictating what team he will suit for and what team he won't suit for, the guy is begging for a contract. By signing McCants we ain't keeping up with the Joneses.


and you know this how,do you talk to him everyday or better yet do you know him personally oh i know you are just going off what you read and hear which doesnt really always tell the whole story,again do you know him,im guesing NO :wavefinger: . no wonder people look at the bobcats and laugh,because we got fans like you that think we are better then what we are.NEWS FLASH CUZ, WE ARE NOT THAT GOOD TO BE TURNING AWAY ANYBODY,Ok so you say he is not in a position to be dictating where he goes well apparantly he is,if three teams are trying to get them into their camps.............oh and one more thing by not signing anyone we arent even keeping up with the flinstones.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 12:59 pm
by WaydownSouth
truthbtold21 wrote:
WaydownSouth wrote:right........sure......... yeah, believe that........

In today's market McCants is dirt cheap, he's a minimum contract. If he didn't have skeletons in the closet then he would of been signed by now. McCants ain't going to do jack**** to any win/loss ratio for any team in the NBA, nor is he going to vault a team to the next level.

McCants ain't in any position to start dictating what team he will suit for and what team he won't suit for, the guy is begging for a contract. By signing McCants we ain't keeping up with the Joneses.


and you know this how,do you talk to him everyday or better yet do you know him personally oh i know you are just going off what you read and hear which doesnt really always tell the whole story,again do you know him,im guesing NO :wavefinger: . no wonder people look at the bobcats and laugh,because we got fans like you that think we are better then what we are.NEWS FLASH CUZ, WE ARE NOT THAT GOOD TO BE TURNING AWAY ANYBODY,Ok so you say he is not in a position to be dictating where he goes well apparantly he is,if three teams are trying to get them into their camps.............oh and one more thing by not signing anyone we arent even keeping up with the flinstones.



The addition of McCants won't do anything for the Cats roster. End of the day signing him won't add any more wins or losses to this franchise, he just doesn't have that kind of impact. What value does he bring to the table?? How is McCants going to make the Bobcats better?? I'm here to be convinced, so convince me. He might put some UNC fans into the stadium, but then he refer to UNC as a jail, so who knows.

McCants isn't what the Cats need, and he apparently isn't what the majority of what the other NBA teams need either. 3 teams out of 30 isn't an overwhelming response for your alleged franchise changer. Sean May had more inquiries.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 3:57 pm
by truthbtold21
Look we are both on the same side an just want whats best for the bobcats,im just tired of everytime we ask something about bringing in a player some people on here act like we are winning titles left and right,and we dont need help in here,look when given mins to play he averages 15ppg,he brings a scorers mentality to our second unit,and he plays def, beacause he come from a tar heel program that teaches that,and like i said raja isnt gonna be here much longer and when he does leave,if we dont find a replacement then we will be in the same boat we were in before we drated hendo.He is only 24 years old and still has room to grow,is coachable and with a hall of fame coach like larry brown(tar heel alum)he can only get better.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 3:57 pm
by thruthefire
Battery wrote:
thruthefire wrote:I'll take McCants over Hendo.



Not surprising. You haven't seen Henderson play one minute in the NBA and you're ready to dump him for another midget SG who really can't shoot, doesn't pass all that much, has been up and down on defense, doesn't rebound, and has a questionable attitude. Yup, sounds like your kind of player.


Mike D'Antoni in an interview after the draft was asked the question can you give me a player or two who you think is underrated and will be a good pro. His immediate response was Gerald Henderson. He said that both he and Donnie Walsh were extremely high on him and thought his game translates much better to the pro game than college. Time will tell, but first we need to give him some time.


(1). I didn't say I wanted to dump Hendo.

(2). Hendo is an inch taller than McCants, but McCants has the longer wingspan and higher standing reach. Based on your preference in players, I have to ask; do you have a long neck, Battery?

(3). Since when can Hendo pass or shoot? McCants is infinitely better at the latter and is easily the better scorer. Neither is much of a playmaker for his teammates. I'd give the advantage to McCants in that, too, though.

(4). D'Antoni and Walsh love Hendo so much that he passed him up for a string bean. :lol:

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 5:34 pm
by Dexmor
O.K. well I really hope they get McCants. Tyson Chandler was a real down grade for Mek. They lost out on A.I. lost Howard,May.
I said for a year plus the Bobcats should get McCants. McCants can be a legit 20 point a game scorer. Throwing it to him with 5 seconds left instead of Felts will help Felts fg% and with Shard his assists will go up as he has nobody to throw it into how can score.
Odds are were looking at the lotto, maybe that's what they want. If they get themself McCants they give themself a chance.
Why the heck did the Lakers or Bobcats not sign Rodney Carney. 800,000 dollars for a 1 year deal?
If the Cats would have gotten Rashard, Carney with Hendersn and Chandler maybe instead of being a team that got worse and semented the lotto they could of been a eastern team who improved and is a threat for the playoffs.
AI signed for less then 4 million 1 year deal. There is no excuse for us not topping that. Couldn't of offered a hall of famer top scorer off alltime a 2 year 8 million dollar deal when you have 0 scorers and 12 role players?
Worst offensive team in the league downgrades on O and then lets AI go.
I don't mind rooting for a team who is losing but I mind when a team chooses to lose with either stupidity or by plan.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 8:18 pm
by SWedd523
We didn't lose May. You can't lose something that big.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Wed Sep 9, 2009 8:42 pm
by WaydownSouth
truthbtold21 wrote:Look we are both on the same side an just want whats best for the bobcats,im just tired of everytime we ask something about bringing in a player some people on here act like we are winning titles left and right,and we dont need help in here,look when given mins to play he averages 15ppg,he brings a scorers mentality to our second unit,and he plays def, beacause he come from a tar heel program that teaches that,and like i said raja isnt gonna be here much longer and when he does leave,if we dont find a replacement then we will be in the same boat we were in before we drated hendo.He is only 24 years old and still has room to grow,is coachable and with a hall of fame coach like larry brown(tar heel alum)he can only get better.


I agree with the majority of what you are saying, I'm sick of being a mid 30 win team with a crappy lottery pick each year, things have to change. This team needs a star and a leader. Bell has that leadership quality, it's just unfortunate we got him 4 seasons too late, and I don't expect him around after this season. Felton hasn't displayed leadership qualities, Okafor never had the balls to stand up and be a leader. The guys the Bobcats have always drafted aren't leaders, nor really display that quality.

I have no issues with what McCants brings to the table as a scorer on the second unit, but is that enough to keep him happy and content?? Regardless of how talented he is (or not depending on your view) the last thing any team needs is a grumpy players. As a scorer on the second unit, play the system that LB has introduced, I've got no problems with signing him to the minimum for two years. Let's see what the kid has, but I don't feel he has enough to shift us from that 30-35 win range. If he could push us to the 41-45 win range then I'd be all over it.

Re: felton or iverson and mccants?

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:43 pm
by hotrod
The Twolves didn't want him. The Kings didn't want him. I don't want him either. There is no way he is a legit 20ppg scorer in the NBA, NBDL maybe.