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I recently posted a idea in the trade forum that involved Memphis and Charlotte in a 5 player deal, and it got pretty positive feedback. It was simply Jaric/Hunter/Hadaddi for Bell/Mohammed. I also gave Memphis's 2010 2nd Rd. Pick. Seeing the fact that Hunter and Bell are both expiring and Mohammed and Jaric both have 2yrs remaining, pkus you guys get a good prospect in Hadaddi plus a 2nd rd pick seems pretty fair game to me. I am curious on what Bobcat fans feel though. I know u guys could give 2 dead flies about Mohammed, but what is Bell worth to u guys? Also tell me if that trade idea seems like a fair deal?

This would make us incredibly bad, instead of just mediocre.

JayCarlock wrote:I recently posted a idea in the trade forum that involved Memphis and Charlotte in a 5 player deal, and it got pretty positive feedback. It was simply Jaric/Hunter/Hadaddi for Bell/Mohammed. I also gave Memphis's 2010 2nd Rd. Pick. Seeing the fact that Hunter and Bell are both expiring and Mohammed and Jaric both have 2yrs remaining, pkus you guys get a good prospect in Hadaddi plus a 2nd rd pick seems pretty fair game to me. I am curious on what Bobcat fans feel though. I know u guys could give 2 dead flies about Mohammed, but what is Bell worth to u guys? Also tell me if that trade idea seems like a fair deal?

We already have 3 centers on the roster so subtracting 1 and adding 2 more would give us 4. 3 of which are unknowns/who knows what to expect which means 3 roster spots taken up with potentially mediocre players.

Now I wouldn't mind Jaric as a backup but if we trade Bell, then that leaves us with just Henderson as the only true shooting guard on our roster. Not good because Henderson has yet to prove himself and Jaric as a starting 2 is bad.

No deal. You need to look at the trade from the Bobcats perspective before you propose a deal like this. Also, why is this a good deal for Memphis when they just signed AI? Seems like Memphis has a ton of guards already.

JayCarlock wrote:I recently posted a idea in the trade forum that involved Memphis and Charlotte in a 5 player deal, and it got pretty positive feedback. It was simply Jaric/Hunter/Hadaddi for Bell/Mohammed. I also gave Memphis's 2010 2nd Rd. Pick. Seeing the fact that Hunter and Bell are both expiring and Mohammed and Jaric both have 2yrs remaining, pkus you guys get a good prospect in Hadaddi plus a 2nd rd pick seems pretty fair game to me. I am curious on what Bobcat fans feel though. I know u guys could give 2 dead flies about Mohammed, but what is Bell worth to u guys? Also tell me if that trade idea seems like a fair deal?

Oh hell no........ Bell's leadership can't be measured. Jaric, Hunter and Hadaddi just doesn't get it done.


This deal only gets consideration if you can convince Jaric's wife to attend every home game dressing in a bikini..

How can Wolves' fans think their front office (we are talking about the front office of Minnesota Timberwolves here) could rob our front office? That's just pathetic.

Hadaddi is terrible.....Textbook stiff.

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It only got positive feedback from Griz fans.

Sucks for us.

spectre_ wrote:http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=943121

It only got positive feedback from Griz fans.

Sucks for us.

lol yes i remember that.

Is Raja Bell projected to be a starter for your team? Just wondering.

Guys what are you talking about? "Bell's leadership value"? Bell is a salary cap slot on this team and nothing more. I've been a proponent for some time now that we need to translate Bell's expiring contract into something of value that has a chance to stay with the team beyong this coming season. The trade proposed by the OP does not necessarily sit well with me. I proposed a trade that would have the Knicks send Jeffries and a future first rounder to us for Bell so the Knicks could get more 2010 cap space. Thats the kind of deal the front office should be doing right now. This team is not going to be successful. Unless we want to win 20-40 games forever we need to blow it up and start again.

Mezotarkus wrote:Guys what are you talking about? "Bell's leadership value"? Bell is a salary cap slot on this team and nothing more. I've been a proponent for some time now that we need to translate Bell's expiring contract into something of value that has a chance to stay with the team beyong this coming season. The trade proposed by the OP does not necessarily sit well with me. I proposed a trade that would have the Knicks send Jeffries and a future first rounder to us for Bell so the Knicks could get more 2010 cap space. Thats the kind of deal the front office should be doing right now. This team is not going to be successful. Unless we want to win 20-40 games forever we need to blow it up and start again.

There are facts, and then there are opinions like these.

Raja is indeed the starter and one of the most valuable players on our team. Unless someone who follows the Bobcats pretty much ignored the 2nd half of last season they'd know that.

Jefferies? For Raja Bell? Lord.

The Knicks owe their 1st to Utah, so the earliest we could get that would be in 2012...and Isiah is no longer there. I'd not bet on Walsh being as incompetent as his predessors.

spectre_ wrote:There are facts, and then there are opinions like these.

Raja is indeed the starter and one of the most valuable players on our team. Unless someone who follows the Bobcats pretty much ignored the 2nd half of last season they'd know that.

Jefferies? For Raja Bell? Lord.

The Knicks owe their 1st to Utah, so the earliest we could get that would be in 2012...and Isiah is no longer there. I'd not bet on Walsh being as incompetent as his predessors.

Ok, you're one of "those". Let me explain how franchises are run in the NBA. No doubt Bell is one of the better players on the team. However, this team is doing nothing for the next few years. Bell is 33. This means when this team is hopefully on the mend and ready to compete in the playoffs he will be 35-36 and likely out of the league. Further, if you think Bell is likely to resign with the Bobcats then maybe Lebron will sign with the Bobcats for the MLE next year too?

Back in realityland though, the most valuable attribute Bell provides the Bobcats is his final year contract and the fact he can at least play. Turning those attributes into something that might actually contribute to the Bobacts past this season is what ownership needs to be doing. Jeffries is terrible. No doubt. This isn't about talent for talent. Its about turning Bell into something that will be worth more than ZERO after this season. Because when Bell signs elsewhere for a chance to win thats what we'll have - ZERO.

I don't care if the Knicks pick is in 2012 or not. And Walsh is smart enough to realize he needs to be in a position to land two marquee free agents next year or he won't be able to land any. And with the potential cap reduction and need to deal with Lee he needs all the cap space he can get.

One of "those"?

That must be one of those who actually knows something about this franchise, someone who wants to get into the playoffs for the first time in our existence and someone who knows that the playoffs is exactly what this team needs right now. Someone who wants to build a defense first mentality...someone who LOVES Larry Ball.

Raja is a HUGE part of that.

If you want to blow it up then I'd suggest becoming a fan of the Thunder or the Wolves...because that's not where we're at.

And to suggest that the odds of Raja re-signing with us (and his dad Larry) is the same as us getting Lebron...and at the MLE no less...pretty much sums up how "out there" your thinking is.

I have just grown tired of fanboys who keep talking about how this team has a credible chance to do damage in the playoffs.

And Raja defense? Sure, if we had the Raja from 7 years ago I'd be happy to keep him on board. But the stats don't lie. Raja's opponents performed very well against him - shooting better than he shot, producing more points per 48 mins than he did, etc.

As for my Lebron comment - its called sarcasm - look it up.

As for Bell resigning with us - if you really think that has a high probability of happening then you are a cut above as far as fanboys go. Even if he did resign with us what do we have? a 34 year old slowing SG. No thanks.

You can call me a fanboy for being optimistic about this team all you want...just expect me to exercise the right to peg you for a jackass. I can call it as I see it too.

It's not just Raja's defense, tho it plays a part. It's his leadership and his mentality.

Do you think it was Boris who pushed us from what, something around 18ish in defense down to around 3rd? Was it a coincidence that after Raja got hurt we fell back to around 7th?

It's not all about stats. Since you claim to go to all the games try watching what's happening on the court...maybe some of that will sink in.

The Lebron comment was sarcasm? in relation to Raja re-signing with us?

Sure it was.

Who are the fan boys that think the Bobcats have "a credible chance to do damage in the playoffs"?

Uh-oh, Battery's gonna have to up his game now.

Step it up, buddy, and protect what's yours!

thruthefire wrote:Uh-oh. Battery's gonna have to up his game now.

Step it up, buddy, and protect what's yours!

Hey there little fella, RELAX, I'm on vacation right now. I'll be back on Monday.



*That jackass comment from spectre was priceless.

spectre_ wrote:You can call me a fanboy for being optimistic about this team all you want...just expect me to exercise the right to peg you for a jackass. I can call it as I see it too.

If you want to get frustrated when I start tossing around facts that can't be refuted and resort to that then go for it.

Do you think it was Boris who pushed us from what, something around 18ish in defense down to around 3rd? Was it a coincidence that after Raja got hurt we fell back to around 7th?

In 2008-09, Charlotte was #9 in PPG allowed and #11 in opponent FG%. Bobcats slipped ONE ranking in PPG and FG% from April 3 to the end of the year. Though I guess with fanboy math 9 and 11 are "around 3rd"? Charlotte was #13 in opponent effective FG% also. Further, these rankings were about 2 ranks higher than where Charlotte was in 2007-08 (not at #18 as you allege/guess/make-up.

Bell was a very good defender. Now he's an average defender. Again - we do not serve the team very well by having unrealistic ideas about what players are and what they bring to the table.

One more point - no one would be happier than me to be proved wrong and see the Bobcats do some damage in the playoffs. But as I see it this team is best served by looking at the long-term and planning ahead. That sometimes means making moves that sacrifices some wins in the current year to be positioned well for the future.