What Do We Need The Most?

Post #1 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:15 pm

What is the thing we are lacking the most that would help get us over the hump?

JustOneFix · Post #2 » by **JustOneFix** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:20 pm

A certain 6th man from the Memphis Grizzlies. 8-)

doc.end · Post #3 » by **doc.end** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:30 pm

Relocation?

Fred Williamson · Post #4 » by **Fred Williamson** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:34 pm

A real point guard would do wonders on this team.

Let's face it, Felton is turnover prone, a bad shooter, and an at least average play maker.
DJ is too small and more of a scoring threat from the bench.

But overall, the whole team is a mess.

misterglover · Post #5 » by **misterglover** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:53 pm

2 things and its sad because both of them are the things this franchise have never had since its inception...

First is a true offensive post player, we dont have one player that can post up and knock down a easy basket when the jumpers arent falling or to draw a true double team to open up either the outside shot for Raja & Flip or the penetration lanes for the PG's

Secondly is a true #1 option....this is a team full of overpaid role players, we dont have 1 player on this team that should be more than the 3rd or 4th option on a true contending team... the opposing teams dont fear any individual player on this team & the refs dont respect anyone. Take your pick but either Crash or Diaw is our best player and both of those guys are role players they are gonna be at there best when there skills are used to compliment a better player, we dont have any better players!!

Rich4114 · Post #6 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:29 pm

What about Elton Brand? His contract is pretty long, but he would give us a scoring/rebounding PF that we've never had.

The other thing we need is spacing. We like to cluster in the center of the floor to make sure it's as easy as possible to defend us. That's the biggest reason why we suck at scoring IMO, we don't help ourselves out or get easy shots. Did anyone see how many open shots Charlie V or Ben Gordon had last night? No wonder why they kicked our ass.

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:13 pm

if i could add one thing from that list it would be a true post scorer. at least when things are rough a good post player can put a team on his back and pound it inside.

Post #8 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:46 pm

I went with "A True Post Scorer". Having that type of production would give us a go-to something, which is something to build around.

Post #9 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:16 pm

I went with the "A SG Who Can Create His Own Shot At Will (and actually score)" option - but only because I think that Diaw is a true post scorer - he just has to apply himself.

If we had a SG like Flash or Roy or JJ etc and told Boris to camp out down low I think the team would seriously benefit.

Because we don't have a great SG Diaw try's to do too much away from the basket.

Battery · Post #10 » by **Battery** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:18 pm

GWallace3 wrote:A real point guard would do wonders on this team.

Let's face it, Felton is turnover prone, a bad shooter, and an at least average player maker.
DJ is too small and more of a scoring threat from the bench.

But overall, the whole team is a mess.

Completely agree. Especially on a Larry Brown team, point guard needs to be a coach out on the floor and Raymond is too slow in his decision making and the sloppy play every other possession is not going to make us a winner anytime soon.

DJ has become pathetic. What happened? Is he hurt?

And yes right now this whole team is a mess between injuries, out of shape players, terrible shooting, no post scoring, and inconsistent point guard play. Nobody on this team is playing at an OK level right now, everyone has regressed.

BobCatsFoLife · Post #11 » by **BobCatsFoLife** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:24 pm

BigSlam wrote:I went with the "A SG Who Can Create His Own Shot At Will (and actually score)" option - but only because I think that Diaw is a true post scorer - he just has to apply himself.

If we had a SG like Flash or Roy or JJ etc and told Boris to camp out down low I think the team would seriously benefit.

Because we don't have a great SG Diaw try's to do too much away from the basket.

I agree. That is why I picked a SG as well. I figured that Boris would be sufficient down low if we had a SG that could create his own shot. I thought it would have worked out well with AI because Boris could be our low post presence on offense and Tyson would be the Defensive Stopper. Although I am very dissapointed in Tyson's Defense right now. He should have put Will Bynum on his ass last night! He didn't even jump!!

ohara · Post #12 » by **ohara** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:28 am

You know, that was a real tough choice as you only allow for us to pick 1. Actually, about 5 of them were viable options which would help. Not so sure that any 1 of them alone would do the job.

KeithMoonsLiver · Post #13 » by **KeithMoonsLiver** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:34 am

A real owner and a better front office. With those in place, we could get at least half the things on that list. Though, this team is so far in the hole, it would still take years.

Post #14 » by **fatlever** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:30 am

yeah, if new owner and new front office was on the list, that would easily be my choice.

Post #15 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:56 am

More cowbell!

BobsBuddy · Post #16 » by **BobsBuddy** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:40 pm

Its real Sad but two of the posts descibed here combined are the biggest problems this team has had since Larry came.
First we must have a pure low post scorer to compliment TC now that hes here for two more years.. so whats the answer trade checker 5280415 after 12-25-2009 trade restriction lifted trade Diaw for David Lee and Jordan Hill. Its no secret the NYK coach wants Diaw and this works to give us the young low post players of the future we need.
Second- the point guard.. The facts are Felton is good but is making too many mistakes which doesn't allow him to be great! Also he is betting that some of these teams saving money for the 2010 free agent extravaganza will pay him more than Bob who is openly trying to sell the team and Probably won't in this economic enviroment so after the 25th of December Felton needs to go ---trade checker 5280426
Send Felton, Diop. Ajincia to GSW for Jackson,Claxton and GSW 2010 1st round pick. Speedy has been injured but is in last year of contract and we have flip as another starting/backup point for 2009. Jackson can start at 2 or 3. I think Nellie has always wanted another Barron Davis type player and Felton could be that. Diop is a salary filler we want to get rid of and Nellie also likes foreign players like Frenchie. our starting lineup 1-1-2010 then looks like:
Flip/Dj /Speedy
Jackson /Hendo/ Bell
Wallace/Brown/Graham
Lee/Hill/ Radomonvic
TC/ Nazr

Post #17 » by **Diop** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:45 pm

GSW are not going to give us a 1st round pick for Felton, Diop and Jinx. Jackson does not want to come here and would behave the same way or even worse here than he would at GS.

BobsBuddy · Post #18 » by **BobsBuddy** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:33 pm

Ok Sachmo Maybe you are right but I think you have to agree Felton or Wallace needs to be traded to rebuild? We either trade Wallace and give big bucks for Felton or keep Wallace and trade Felton to get some value this year before he walks next?
Got any ideas?

Post #19 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:36 pm

John Hollinger wrote: Man, it's been a bad few weeks for veteran point guards, huh? In the Bobcats' case, poor play from the point has been a huge reason their offense remains mired in the muck. Charlotte is dead last in offensive efficiency, partly because Raymond Felton (PER 10.79) and D.J. Augustin (PER 9.76) can't generate any offense. Each is shooting in the 30s from the field and in the 20s on 3s; worse yet, between them, they average a completely unacceptable mix of 7.9 assists against 5.0 turnovers per game -- in other words, an almost negative pure point rating.

Augustin's case is particularly vexing because he seemed like a rising offensive force with his strong play as a rookie last season. He's also Charlotte's best hope for improvement going forward, as the Bobcats are mostly a veteran crew. If he can't deliver much better offense than he's shown thus far, this could go down as one of the worst offensive teams in history.

Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction and pg play is the issue? If so, seems like an area to actually be optimistic since LB is a pg's coach.

Battery · Post #20 » by **Battery** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:13 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:
John Hollinger wrote: Man, it's been a bad few weeks for veteran point guards, huh? In the Bobcats' case, poor play from the point has been a huge reason their offense remains mired in the muck. Charlotte is dead last in offensive efficiency, partly because Raymond Felton (PER 10.79) and D.J. Augustin (PER 9.76) can't generate any offense. Each is shooting in the 30s from the field and in the 20s on 3s; worse yet, between them, they average a completely unacceptable mix of 7.9 assists against 5.0 turnovers per game -- in other words, an almost negative pure point rating.

Augustin's case is particularly vexing because he seemed like a rising offensive force with his strong play as a rookie last season. He's also Charlotte's best hope for improvement going forward, as the Bobcats are mostly a veteran crew. If he can't deliver much better offense than he's shown thus far, this could go down as one of the worst offensive teams in history.

Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction and pg play is the issue? If so, seems like an area to actually be optimistic since LB is a pg's coach.

Point guard play has been atrocious. Problem is, everyone else has been atrocious too. It seems like we've missed more open shots than the entire league combined. And the way Felton is playing now, he will be lucky to get anywhere close to what he turned down this past summer. I don't want him back unless he miraculously turns it around. Doubtful because he seems very slow and indecisive with his decision making.

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