What's up with Boris Diaw?

dklee13 · Post #1 » by **dklee13** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:40 pm

I knew that Stephen Jackson's would reduced Diaw's productivity, but he's just been looking awful this year in general. Does anyone think Boris will be able to pick it up and play like he did last year?

Post #2 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:10 pm

I hope so. We really need him to. He gives us a lot of what we need at the 4 spot, he just needs to buy into the role.

Mezotarkus · Post #3 » by **Mezotarkus** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:17 pm

BigSlam wrote:I hope so. We really need him to. He gives us a lot of what we need at the 4 spot, he just needs to buy into the role.

Are you kidding?

Diaw does not defend the post well, rebound, block shots, or have an inside game. Diaw is #79 out of 84 forwards (power AND small) in the league in rebounds per 48 minutes. Diaw is $48 out of 84 forwards (power AND small) in the league in blocks per 48 minutes.

We need a good rebounder, someone that forces the opponent to compress spacing towards the post to give our outisde shooters (or what we pass off as outside shooters) more space and interior defense would be a plus too. Diaw does none of this.

If we could get a real 4 this team would take off.

Post #4 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:26 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:
BigSlam wrote:I hope so. We really need him to. He gives us a lot of what we need at the 4 spot, he just needs to buy into the role.

Are you kidding?

No, I am not.

Post #5 » by **fatlever** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:17 am

rebounding is not one our weaknesses right now.

Battery · Post #6 » by **Battery** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:24 am

The problem with Boris is that he's all we have at PF so LB is forced into playing him a lot of minutes against bigger players on most nights. We really need a decent 6-10 PF to backup Diaw so LB can mix and match like he does at center.

Bassman · Post #7 » by **Bassman** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:02 am

fatlever wrote:rebounding is not one our weaknesses right now.

It's also not a strength. But one huge weakness we do have is post scoring. Chandler is not that guy and never will be. Crash takes it hard to the hole but not by posting up. We've needed a post threat at the 4 for years. Mek was our only guy, and he wasn't great at finishing, and he rarely drew double teams.

I'm with Mezotarkus on this.

Mezotarkus · Post #8 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:49 am

BigSlam wrote:No, I am not.

Cool. Now respond to the rest of my post and explain why.

Post #9 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:43 am

Yawn.

Post #10 » by **Paydro70** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:31 am

Our rebounding is a strength. We're #4 in DR% and #13 in OR%.

That said, Diaw IS a part of our turnover problem, and he's not contributing the assists he did last year to compensate.

Really the problem is he seems to just float through games without doing much, he's more like he was in the two years prior to last than 05-06 or 08-09.

Mezotarkus · Post #11 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:25 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Our rebounding is a strength. We're #4 in DR% and #13 in OR%.

That said, Diaw IS a part of our turnover problem, and he's not contributing the assists he did last year to compensate.

Really the problem is he seems to just float through games without doing much, he's more like he was in the two years prior to last than 05-06 or 08-09.

Rebounding is not the only thing you get from an effective 4. We are getting the rebounding we should be getting from our 4 from our 3. If we had a better rebounding 4 then Wallace would not have to spend 75% of his energy chasing rebounds. I have listed the factors and Diaw is doing nothing for us in relation to any of them.

Mezotarkus · Post #12 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:50 pm

My worst fears confirmed, Brown wants Diaw to be running point power forward:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... ough_diaw/

Hey Brownie - look around the league and see how many winning teams (or any teams) that are running such a nutcase type of offense.

Post #13 » by **Paydro70** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:38 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:
Paydro70 wrote:Our rebounding is a strength. We're #4 in DR% and #13 in OR%.

That said, Diaw IS a part of our turnover problem, and he's not contributing the assists he did last year to compensate.

Really the problem is he seems to just float through games without doing much, he's more like he was in the two years prior to last than 05-06 or 08-09.

Rebounding is not the only thing you get from an effective 4. We are getting the rebounding we should be getting from our 4 from our 3. If we had a better rebounding 4 then Wallace would not have to spend 75% of his energy chasing rebounds. I have listed the factors and Diaw is doing nothing for us in relation to any of them.

Bassman said rebounding wasn't a strength... but it is, on the defensive end at least. We're actually not all that great in terms of eFG%, we just force a lot of turnovers and rebound really well.

I didn't say Diaw was awesome or anything... he's pretty much reverted back to the mediocrity he showed in Atlanta and half the time in Phoenix. He's not living up to our needs or expectations.

But he's an unusual player, so I don't think it makes much sense to just blast him for not doing typical PF things when he's not a typical PF. He's one of the best passing PFs in the league, and an above-average shooter... why isn't it logical to try and make use of that, since the offense currently sucks?

No matter what, I don't think he should be the major focus for your ire. Our biggest problem is that Tyson Chandler and the entire bench outside of Mohammed are playing TERRIBLY. Diaw isn't up to last year's standard, but Augustin and Flip are putrid, and Graham really shouldn't be on an NBA court. When you're giving an average of 20mpg to four players (i.e., about 1/3 of the game) at 10 PER or below (i.e., "replacement level"), that's going to lose you games. Replacing Diaw won't fix that.

Mezotarkus · Post #14 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:12 pm

Our offense sucks because our perimeter shooters are average at best and there are no post players to soften the pressure on them and because arguably our best offensive player (Wallace) burns energy scrambling for every rebound because he knows his 4 won't be doing it. I agree Chandler is part of the problem but he isn't any different now than what he has been his entire career so I am not sure what people are expecting from him.

I don't care that Diaw is not a typical PF. That is the exact problem. He is not a typical PF and we need a typical PF.

thruthefire · Post #15 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:23 pm

Mezotarkus wrote:I agree Chandler is part of the problem but he isn't any different now than what he has been his entire career so I am not sure what people are expecting from him.

Oh, yes he is. He's never been Okafor, but he's been much better than what he's showing right now.

Fred Williamson · Post #16 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:36 pm

definitely.

btw, what's up with the GT for tonight's game?

Mezotarkus · Post #17 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:07 pm

thruthefire wrote:
Mezotarkus wrote:I agree Chandler is part of the problem but he isn't any different now than what he has been his entire career so I am not sure what people are expecting from him.

Oh, yes he is. He's never been Okafor, but he's been much better than what he's showing right now.

He spoiled a trade because he couldn't even pass the physical. What did you expect?

RolloTommasi · Post #18 » by **RolloTommasi** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:25 am

wtf is wrong with this fat piece of **** ???

12 minutes, 4 TOs, 4 fouls

thruthefire · Post #19 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:39 am

He's lost and insecure.

RolloTommasi · Post #20 » by **RolloTommasi** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:40 am

5 TOs, 5 fouls

lol