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GM of the year? Did we make up for past picks?

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GM of the year? Did we make up for past picks? 

Post#1 » by Dexmor » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:08 am

We flipped Morrison into Radman which netted us Jackson and Law and Law was half of what got us Thomas.
So really the only bad pick was D.J. over Lopez.
With that said if Felton does get a huge offer and walks, maybe it all worked out for the best although I want Felton resigned.
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Post#2 » by Paydro70 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:39 am

They also traded Okafor for Chandler, which hasn't exactly gone great. There's no way to make up for past picks considering what was left on the table. But many of the moves have been quite good, and have netted us some really good values... Jackson and Thomas in particular seem like great trades from a talent perspective.

So I would say the front office has done a good job despite the TC blunder... if there was no such thing as a salary cap.
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Post#3 » by Rich4114 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:04 am

We also could've just drafted Chris Paul and Brandon Roy and have had the best back court in the NBA.

Instead the choice was Felton + May + Morrison. Imagine if that were somehow a trade now? Like say NO had both of those guys, and we had the other 3 and then traded them. That would be illegal, yet that's kind of what we did except with us on the bad end.

Moving forward though, we keep talking about the past f-ups.
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Post#4 » by doc.end » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:47 am

Go away with that hindsight. With Paul or/and Roy we wouldn't have other things etc. etc.
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Re: GM of the year? Did we make up for past picks? 

Post#5 » by Fred Williamson » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:48 am

I rather see LB getting the COY award.
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Post#6 » by SteveMorrison15 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:13 am

There is no real point behind this thread. Dex just wants to further bash Adam Morrison. ha
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Post#7 » by BigSlam » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:11 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Moving forward though, we keep talking about the past f-ups.

:nod:

Can't change the past. Rather focus on influencing the future.
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Post#8 » by e4Nf6 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:51 pm

Dexmor wrote:We flipped Morrison into Radman which netted us Jackson and Law and Law was half of what got us Thomas.
So really the only bad pick was D.J. over Lopez.
With that said if Felton does get a huge offer and walks, maybe it all worked out for the best although I want Felton resigned.


Law was 0% of what we gave up for TT. It was 99% the pick and maybe 1% Flip.

In any case, complaining about missed draft picks (especially from multiple years ago) is the lowest form of internet basketball discussion.
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Post#9 » by Walt Cronkite » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:25 pm

I think GM of the year is something worth discussing. Sure, we've had a terrible run BEFORE this year, but since the season began, Jax and Thomas for Vlad, Law, Flip, a broken Bell and a first. I guess the Okafor trade should count as being from this year though, same with the Henderson pick, so I think that costs Higgins any serious nomination.

People probably see this coming, but I'd say it's Morey. For Houston to be anywhere near as successful as they are without Yao and T-Mac is impressive, but he just got the Rockets under the luxury tax AND a talented wing (huge area of need) for Landry... plus they got Hill and two 1sts. That is CRAZY.

Anyway, I expect Danny Ferry to win it since Cleveland will have the best record... but whatever, it's nice to have the ability to discuss this at all. We've come a long way.
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Post#10 » by Mezotarkus » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:36 pm

I think its a bit early for GM of the year talk. If we get to the second round of the playoffs then I think GM of the year is legitimate. I think Morey may very well have made the best trade of the year with the McGrady trade. Landry hurt but they got Hill, multiple 1sts [which if the Knicks offseason implodes will be great picks] and Kevin Martin for Landry and a guy they were going to lose for nothing at the end of the year. If the Mavs win it all then the Mavs probably deserve it for the trades they pulled off.
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Post#11 » by Dexmor » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:21 pm

u gonna keep that name when Morrison is in china next year?
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Post#12 » by doc.end » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:42 pm

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Post#13 » by e4Nf6 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:58 am

Dexmor wrote:u gonna keep that name when Morrison is in china next year?


Not everyone chooses their favorite player/team based on who is good at the moment. I bet you are the type of guy who watches the stock market to cheer for Microsoft.
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Post#14 » by Diop » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 am

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Post#15 » by dmutombo321 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:14 am

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Rich4114 wrote:Moving forward though, we keep talking about the past f-ups.

:nod:

Can't change the past. Rather focus on influencing the future.


I'm in total agreement about dwelling on the past not changing anything, etc. But when someone does, on occasion, bring up the DJ over Lopez draft folly in particular and someone responds with something to the effect of how "hindsight is 20/20" it drives me nuts because its a complete mischaracterization of what people were disappointed about.

In that case, and also in the case of May over Granger, it was foresight that should have been 20/20. It wasnt a matter of people looking back a year down the road and deciding then that the FO made an error in judgement. Quite the contrary; most of the people on this board were in disbelief on the draft nights when each of those picks were made. In both cases, i stared at the TV with my jaw on the floor for about 5 minutes after the commish left the podium.

Morrison was an abysmal bust of course and passing on Roy will haunt the team for the next deade but that Ammo selection, in my eyes, was more forgivable than passing on Granger and Lopez since every team in the league had morrison in their top 6. The Ammo folly is a situation where I think the "hindsight is 20/20" addage does apply. Even the critics who doubted his game would transfer very well to the pros and rightfully endorsed taking roy/gay at the time could have imagined Morrison would turn out to be as inept as he is.


Anyway, as for gm of the year, I'm with mezo and walt. Morey made out like a bandit by parlaying Tmac's expiring into more than few could have dreamed possible. Also, he acquired a second round pick in last july's draft to nab a first round talent in Budinger.
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Post#16 » by BigSlam » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:31 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Morrison was an abysmal bust of course and passing on Roy will haunt the team for the next deade but that Ammo selection, in my eyes, was more forgivable than passing on Granger and Lopez since every team in the league had morrison in their top 6.

Same could be said for Lopez though. Obviously the 9 teams picking first all had Lopez outside of their top 10 - hence him last until then.

There were many, many questions about Lopez heading in to the draft. Questions about him being soft, having no counter moves and being a suspect rebounder for his size. He's proved a lot of the doubters wrong now, but there were questions.

I think Ammo was a much more questionable pick in the top 3 than anything though. There were way too many holes in his game that could potentially make him exposed at the NBA level. You don't burn a top 3 pick on someone who is that suspect IMO.

It's still all hindsight though.
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Post#17 » by dmutombo321 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:00 pm

BigSlam wrote:Same could be said for Lopez though. Obviously the 9 teams picking first all had Lopez outside of their top 10 - hence him last until then.


Someone could do a doctoral thesis in psychology on the phenomenon of certain lottery players free falling on draft day.

Health concerns notwithstanding, whenever a highly talented lottery player drops below where any final mock drafts or draft day GM surveys had them placed, some teams are deviating from their "big boards" that rank player talent without regard to position.

Oftentimes teams forsake them to draft for positional need; sometimes war rooms may panic when someone's still on the board that they never expected to still be there (particularly in instances when a promise has already been made to a lesser player [ehem.. Yaroslav Kololev to LAC at #12]). And sometimes, there's dissention in teams' front offices (i.e. our situation where MJ and Higgens recognized taking Lopez was a no-brainer and had even notified his agent of such before acquiescing to LB's desires at the 11th hour to instead select a 5'10 PG who plays the right way).

And many times, a combonation of these factors, at play simultaneously in multiple war rooms creates a perfect storm, at which point players like Paul Pierce, Lopez, Artest etc are still on the board late after being passed over for the likes of Robert Traylor, Joe Alexander, and Fredick Weis.
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Post#18 » by SteveMorrison15 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:46 pm

Dexmor wrote:u gonna keep that name when Morrison is in china next year?


I'll change it my name when someone here gives a crap what you think...

looks like my name is permanent.
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Post#19 » by Paydro70 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:14 pm

SteveMorrison15 wrote:
Dexmor wrote:u gonna keep that name when Morrison is in china next year?


I'll change it my name when someone here gives a crap what you think...

looks like my name is permanent.

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Post#20 » by chrbal » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:24 pm

I still don't feel like we've made up for Bernard Robinson though.
How could we pass up on this, I ask you;
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