Blocks ≠ Good Defense

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Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#1 » by ijspeelman » Thu May 19, 2022 3:01 am

To most, blocks signify what defense is all about: stopping a shot so it never reaches the hoop. But what if blocks are being viewed incorrectly and blocks are not even the main ingredient in stopping shots from reaching the hoop.

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Graphing a team’s blocks per 100 possessions against their defensive rating paints a revealing picture. You can see from worst to best defensive efficiency that block rate varies at a high rate. There is little to no correlation between blocks and defensive efficiency(1). This may come as a surprise, but I will discuss further why blocks are not good at indicating how good a team or player defends.

For one, blocks are highly unlikely to occur in any given possession. This season, only 5.3% of field goals attempts were blocked. Due to the low volume of blocks, a teams defense cannot solely rely on blocking many shots to carry a defense. The player with the highest block percentage(2), Jaren Jackson Jr. at 7.4%, still falls below the rate where just his blocks make Memphis’ defense as good as it is. The threat of blocks or a good contest is more important than the block itself.



Use the above play as an example. Instead of inviting the player into a shot, Gobert deters the player from ever shooting the ball using his positioning. He keeps Green out of the restricted area and Green does not want to take a contested shot against Gobert. If a player does not attempt a shot then naturally they have a 0% chance of getting the ball in the basket. This indicates that good positioning rather than timing blocks creates more opportunities for defenses to succeed.

Since blocks are most likely to come near the rim and inviting a player in closer and closer has adverse effects for the defense, it can be seen how defenses that allow lots of blocks can still be bad defenses overall. In the 2022 regular season, a shot within six feet of the basket had a 61.3% chance of going in. Just four more feet out at the distances between six feet and ten feet the percentage lowers all the way to 40.3%. Even when the top ten rim protectors(3) are the ones contesting the shot near the basket, there is only a 50.3% chance the shot will go in.

Blocks are not useless, however. While they may not indicate good team defense, they are tools to be used in certain situations. Generally, blocks are used as saves from defense breakdowns. Since blocks mostly happen within or near the restricted area, the initial defense must lead to a player getting within this range before the block attempt. Letting a lot of players to get within this range is a recipe for a bad defense(4).



In the above play, the perimeter defender is easily beat by the ballhandler. Vanderbilt sniffs out the play early(5) and positions himself in front of the hoop to save the layup. The block saves the contested shot from going in.



A help defender coming from the weak-side to contest a defensive breakdown is a common save deployed by a defense. In this example, Robert Williams sees Huerter get past his man and closes in to stop the easy lay-up(6).



In this play, the ballhandler has a mismatch and takes the defender to the rim to get an easy shot. Mobley sees this and follows the play down to the rim to get an arm up when Giddey shoots. This leads Mobley’s man to get the offensive rebound due to Mobley jumping away from the hoop to block the shot. You may have noticed that with each play showcased that the ball returned to the team who gets their shot blocked. In fact, 41.5%(i) of blocked shots return possession to the team that was blocked. This can occur by either the blocked shot being returned into the hands of the offense or by parading out of bounds off the defense.



Swats out of bounds may get the crowd roaring, but softer, guided blocks can lead to better defense. When the ball is batted out of bounds or into the hands of the opponent, they get another opportunity to score, albeit with a shorter shot clock.



Attempts at blocks and even successful blocks can lead to easy offensive rebound clean-ups. Embiid goes for the block, but against the smaller Alvarado could stand to stay straight up and contest rather than jumping behind the basket leading to no contest on the Willy Hernangomez put-back.



Additionally, attempting blocks can lead to shooting fouls. What Poeltl does here isn’t necessarily wrong, just late. If Murray doesn’t fall asleep on the cut, Poeltl does not have to attempt the last second save leading to an and-one.

Blocks do not equate to good defense, but they also do not equate to bad defense. Blocks have their downsides and their perks; it requires a good team defense to harness their utility. If a team wants to get the most out of their blocking threats, they need to put players in position to make these plays infrequently and use their threat to block to deter players from taking shots close to the rim.

(1) Blocks per 100 possessions and defensive rating have a correlation coefficient of 0.082. Closer to 1 is direct correlation, closer to 0 is no correlation, and below 0 is an inverse correlation.
(2) Block percentage is the percentage of shots on the floor blocked by the individual player. The player is not necessarily guarding the opposing player who is taking each shot.
(3) Limited to those who contested at least 80 shots within six feet of the rim in the 2022 regular season.
(4) Since a shot near the rim has a 61.3% chance of going in, each shot is worth 1.23 points which would lead to no better than a 123 defensive rating if all shots were from this range; easily worst in the league.
(5) Golden State attempts to run a pin-down screen for Kuminga distracting Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt doesn’t pay Kuminga any mind since he shoots 33.6% from behind the arc. If this was a better 3 point shooter, this may have worked.
(6) Williams also perfectly times his block attempt. He does not leave Capela, a lob-threat, until Huerter has committed to the lay-up.
all statistics taken and derived from basketball-reference.com and nba.com/stats unless otherwise noted

(i) https://squared2020.com/2017/12/20/making-blocks-count/
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#2 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu May 19, 2022 3:02 am

Oh, the Hassan Whiteside thread.
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Post#3 » by Ni Da Ye » Thu May 19, 2022 3:14 am

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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#4 » by Tor_Raps » Thu May 19, 2022 3:21 am

I've had enough of this discrimination against 7 footers. I want to see slander thrown towards PGs and how steals don't reflect their impact defensively lol

Most PGs are too small/weak and often get targeted on switches and mismatches in the post that compromise your interior defense and rebounding.
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#5 » by DaFan334 » Thu May 19, 2022 3:25 am

Don't tell the "Jokic doesn't play good defense" people.
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Post#6 » by Pennebaker » Thu May 19, 2022 3:33 am

Not on their own, no. Look at Mark Eaton.

But then again look at history's leaders in blocks:

Hakeem
Dikembe
Kareem
Duncan
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wallace
Dwight

It means something.
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Post#7 » by cam24thomas » Thu May 19, 2022 3:39 am

Its possible, because I've heard Iverson was not a good defender, despite career average of 2.2 steals per game.
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Post#8 » by Tor_Raps » Thu May 19, 2022 3:41 am

Pennebaker wrote:Not on their own, no. Look at Mark Eaton.

But then again look at history's leaders in blocks:

Hakeem
Dikembe
Kareem
Duncan
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wallace
Dwight

It means something.


Of course... it's kind of what I was trying to get at with my post. Steals also don't mean you're a good defender overall. Guys like Iverson used to cheat passing lanes and compromise their team defense.

I remember Larry Hughes made some all defensive teams because people were fooled by the Steal stats.
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Post#9 » by Tor_Raps » Thu May 19, 2022 3:43 am

ben10simmons wrote:Its possible, because I've heard Iverson was not a good defender, despite career average of 2.2 steals per game.


Damn... funny you made your post right before mine lol
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Post#10 » by jlokine » Thu May 19, 2022 3:43 am

marc gasol was defensive player of the year and was always in the conversation for the grizzlies. he never had more than 2 BPG..
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#11 » by cam24thomas » Thu May 19, 2022 3:44 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:Its possible, because I've heard Iverson was not a good defender, despite career average of 2.2 steals per game.


Damn... funny you made your post right before mine lol

I must be a mind-breeder :tooth
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#12 » by ijspeelman » Thu May 19, 2022 3:50 am

Pennebaker wrote:Not on their own, no. Look at Mark Eaton.

But then again look at history's leaders in blocks:

Hakeem
Dikembe
Kareem
Duncan
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wallace
Dwight

It means something.


I know I didn’t make it clear, but I did make this post using the modern game rather that incorporating every era of the NBA.
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Post#13 » by Ballerhogger » Thu May 19, 2022 4:07 am

Blocks can be game saving plays like when BAM blocked Tatum in the playoff bubble
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#14 » by Lockdown504090 » Thu May 19, 2022 4:50 am

if you want to assess good defense, you have to look at A TON of individual stats, like how many dribbles the player defends without fouling, defelections, how often they miss a rotation, how long it takes to fight over a screen. its stuff like that. there isnt a stat thats going to differentiate defenders, and ive yet to see a metric that covers these because they are too focused on the end result.
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#15 » by Nate505 » Thu May 19, 2022 5:19 am

Pennebaker wrote:Not on their own, no. Look at Mark Eaton.

But then again look at history's leaders in blocks:

Hakeem
Dikembe
Kareem
Duncan
Robinson
Ewing
Mourning
Wallace
Dwight

It means something.

I will not tolerate this Mark Easton slander. He was a damn fine defender.
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Post#16 » by CoP » Thu May 19, 2022 5:48 am

Using 30 data points to calculate a correlation coefficient and then drawing a conclusion about them isn't a great idea. I'd think you'd want to go back at least 5 years. The coefficient may not change much but that's beside the point.

If you did go back five years, I'd be interested to see if you found anything that did have a high correlation coefficient to defensive rating. Opposing EFG% or TS% seems obvious, but I wonder if there are other ones that are more correlative such as TOVs forced, defensive rebound percentage, opponent FTr, things like that.
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#17 » by dhsilv2 » Thu May 19, 2022 5:57 am

ijspeelman wrote:
(1) Blocks per 100 possessions and defensive rating have a correlation coefficient of 0.082. Closer to 1 is direct correlation, closer to 0 is no correlation, and below 0 is an inverse correlation.
(2) Block percentage is the percentage of shots on the floor blocked by the individual player. The player is not necessarily guarding the opposing player who is taking each shot.
(3) Limited to those who contested at least 80 shots within six feet of the rim in the 2022 regular season.
(4) Since a shot near the rim has a 61.3% chance of going in, each shot is worth 1.23 points which would lead to no better than a 123 defensive rating if all shots were from this range; easily worst in the league.
(5) Golden State attempts to run a pin-down screen for Kuminga distracting Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt doesn’t pay Kuminga any mind since he shoots 33.6% from behind the arc. If this was a better 3 point shooter, this may have worked.
(6) Williams also perfectly times his block attempt. He does not leave Capela, a lob-threat, until Huerter has committed to the lay-up.
all statistics taken and derived from basketball-reference.com and nba.com/stats unless otherwise noted

(i) https://squared2020.com/2017/12/20/making-blocks-count/


This is fairly old knowledge. "The Dwight Effect" really dug into this nearly a decade ago.

https://docplayer.net/4267600-The-dwight-effect-a-new-ensemble-of-interior-defense-analytics-for-the-nba.html
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#18 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Thu May 19, 2022 6:13 am

Tor_Raps wrote:I've had enough of this discrimination against 7 footers. I want to see slander thrown towards PGs and how steals don't reflect their impact defensively lol

Most PGs are too small/weak and often get targeted on switches and mismatches in the post that compromise your interior defense and rebounding.
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#19 » by Pachinko_ » Thu May 19, 2022 6:48 am

I don't understand the point of this graph. To make a graph that actually shows the impact of blocks on defence you have to keep everything else equal, as in here's Miami's D with and without blocks. Which is probably impossible.

Did you mean to say that blocks dont make a good defence all by themselves? Of course they don't, there's a dozen things that matters on D, blocks is just one of them. But if your defence is crap and you add a shotblocker it will still be crap just less so.
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Re: Blocks ≠ Good Defense 

Post#20 » by LewisnotMiller » Thu May 19, 2022 7:01 am

Ni Da Ye wrote:OP must be short.


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