NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[Statlanta]

Not all MVPs are equal, whether media members vote or players do, the player being entertaining factors in this subjective vote.

Curry shooting from half court or Giannis dunking on the wall is more fun than Harden grifting free throws.

Embiid will have to thoroughly dominate the traditional/advanced stats to make up for his style of play especially with his injury history. The straw poll says he is but I bet things can change.

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This!!!





From today on, whoever prop Jimmy as a worthy MVP candidate should be ashamed of themselves.

[Cubbies2120]

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One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

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One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

[Wolfgang630]

Jimmy Butler isn’t even an mvp candidate and never has been in his whole career lol

[Cubbies2120]

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One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

What part is MADE UP?

Embiid over last 5 years (not including tonight)
76 missed games
50 on road
26 at home

19 of the road games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.233 record without him)
10 of the home games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.500 record without him)

Before you say "Well he can't control his injuries!", some of these games are due to B2B 'load management' where he selectively chooses to sit the ROAD game (despite his team playing WORSE without him, but winning 62% of their home games without him). Why? Oh, idk, it MIGHT have something to do with 8 of his top 9 scoring games being at home. He also plays better at home, always. So maybe he's not as intelligent as we thought...because if he was he'd think "Wait a minute, my team plays 62% winning % without me at home...maybe I should load manage the home games, and play in the away games...maybe..."?

What part of that is made up? Is basketball reference fake data?

[eyeatoma]

One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

What part is MADE UP?

Embiid over last 5 years (not including tonight)
76 missed games
50 on road
26 at home

19 of the road games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.233 record without him)
10 of the home games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.500 record without him)

Before you say "Well he can't control his injuries!", some of these games are due to B2B 'load management' where he selectively chooses to sit the ROAD game (despite his team playing WORSE without him, but winning 62% of their home games without him). Why? Oh, idk, it MIGHT have something to do with 8 of his top 9 scoring games being at home. He also plays better at home, always. So maybe he's not as intelligent as we thought...because if he was he'd think "Wait a minute, my team plays 62% winning % without me at home...maybe I should load manage the home games, and play in the away games...maybe..."?

What part of that is made up? Is basketball reference fake data?

Once again, he's injured for many if not all of these games. That's all there is to it. You like to question how injured he is. He is, it's not for you to say he's faking it, or ducking. It's such a lame reason.

You like to throw around data and not include context.

There is nothing selective about it from Embiid. The team decides based on their conversations with the medical team. This is a 7 foot 2 big man. Flying around, and back to backs are higher risk games. It's basic logic. We have already determined that although he's an all time great talent, he doesn't have an alltime great body and is susceptible injuries. Everyone talks about him falling down all the time. He literally went to Qatar and spent time with foot experts who told him to fall down to reduce strain on his foot and knees when he's off balance. Does that soudn like someone to you who can go through a rigurous NBA season, and not sit if he has a niggle, or usually a more siginificant injury? You are trying to find fault with someone where it is painfully obvious he is injury prone, and the team is trying to be pro active. They have reduced his load management recently as his conditioning has improved.

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One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

What part is MADE UP?

Embiid over last 5 years (not including tonight)
76 missed games
50 on road
26 at home

19 of the road games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.233 record without him)
10 of the home games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.500 record without him)

Before you say "Well he can't control his injuries!", some of these games are due to B2B 'load management' where he selectively chooses to sit the ROAD game (despite his team playing WORSE without him, but winning 62% of their home games without him). Why? Oh, idk, it MIGHT have something to do with 8 of his top 9 scoring games being at home. He also plays better at home, always. So maybe he's not as intelligent as we thought...because if he was he'd think "Wait a minute, my team plays 62% winning % without me at home...maybe I should load manage the home games, and play in the away games...maybe..."?

What part of that is made up? Is basketball reference fake data?

Well stated. Whether he’s ducking or it’s a valid injury management strategy to travel less and skip more road games, he’s definitely facing an easier schedule as a result of the games he misses and it hurts his regular season value more than the number of games he misses since he’s skipping the more important ones. I’m not taking a side on whether he ducked this Miami game, but I will say him missing a 4th road game against a contender drops him below Jokic and back down to 3rd on my MVP ballot.

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

What part is MADE UP?

Embiid over last 5 years (not including tonight)
76 missed games
50 on road
26 at home

19 of the road games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.233 record without him)
10 of the home games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.500 record without him)

Before you say "Well he can't control his injuries!", some of these games are due to B2B 'load management' where he selectively chooses to sit the ROAD game (despite his team playing WORSE without him, but winning 62% of their home games without him). Why? Oh, idk, it MIGHT have something to do with 8 of his top 9 scoring games being at home. He also plays better at home, always. So maybe he's not as intelligent as we thought...because if he was he'd think "Wait a minute, my team plays 62% winning % without me at home...maybe I should load manage the home games, and play in the away games...maybe..."?

What part of that is made up? Is basketball reference fake data?

Once again, he's injured for many if not all of these games. That's all there is to it. You like to question how injured he is. He is, it's not for you to say he's faking it, or ducking. It's such a lame reason.

You like to throw around data and not include context.

There is nothing selective about it from Embiid. The team decides based on their conversations with the medical team. This is a 7 foot 2 big man. Flying around, and back to backs are higher risk games. It's basic logic. We have already determined that although he's an all time great talent, he doesn't have an alltime great body and is susceptible injuries. Everyone talks about him falling down all the time. He literally went to Qatar and spent time with foot experts who told him to fall down to reduce strain on his foot and knees when he's off balance. Does that soudn like someone to you who can go through a rigurous NBA season, and not sit if he has a niggle, or usually a more siginificant injury? You are trying to find fault with someone where it is painfully obvious he is injury prone, and the team is trying to be pro active. They have reduced his load management recently as his conditioning has improved.

Many if not all? Hah.

So if I find you a subset of games that he played the previous game, then sat one out (road game), then played the next...or find you where he chooses to sit out the road game (whether it's 1st or 2nd) in a B2B...for 'load management'...what then?

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What part is MADE UP?

Embiid over last 5 years (not including tonight)
76 missed games
50 on road
26 at home

19 of the road games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.233 record without him)
10 of the home games missed are vs. top 10 teams (.500 record without him)

Before you say "Well he can't control his injuries!", some of these games are due to B2B 'load management' where he selectively chooses to sit the ROAD game (despite his team playing WORSE without him, but winning 62% of their home games without him). Why? Oh, idk, it MIGHT have something to do with 8 of his top 9 scoring games being at home. He also plays better at home, always. So maybe he's not as intelligent as we thought...because if he was he'd think "Wait a minute, my team plays 62% winning % without me at home...maybe I should load manage the home games, and play in the away games...maybe..."?

What part of that is made up? Is basketball reference fake data?

Once again, he's injured for many if not all of these games. That's all there is to it. You like to question how injured he is. He is, it's not for you to say he's faking it, or ducking. It's such a lame reason.

You like to throw around data and not include context.

There is nothing selective about it from Embiid. The team decides based on their conversations with the medical team. This is a 7 foot 2 big man. Flying around, and back to backs are higher risk games. It's basic logic. We have already determined that although he's an all time great talent, he doesn't have an alltime great body and is susceptible injuries. Everyone talks about him falling down all the time. He literally went to Qatar and spent time with foot experts who told him to fall down to reduce strain on his foot and knees when he's off balance. Does that soudn like someone to you who can go through a rigurous NBA season, and not sit if he has a niggle, or usually a more siginificant injury? You are trying to find fault with someone where it is painfully obvious he is injury prone, and the team is trying to be pro active. They have reduced his load management recently as his conditioning has improved.

Many if not all? Hah.

So if I find you a subset of games that he played the previous game, then sat one out (road game), then played the next...or find you where he chooses to sit out the road game (whether it's 1st or 2nd) in a B2B...for 'load management'...what then?

Go for it, there won't be many. You should also include the injury reason because bbref won't provide that.

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More reason for Embiid being MVP...

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One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

“Internet nobodies”.

Who are all these people you use tweets for “evidence”

[eyeatoma]

One game sample size vs. 76 games sample size over last 5 years.

Sixers fans love 1 game sample sizes though (see: Timberwolves game and ignoring the other 7 games vs. bottom teams in the NBA).


It is INDISPUTABLE fact that Embiid misses significantly more road games than home games.

It is also indisputable fact that Embiid tends to miss more games vs. Top 10 teams than any other (Top 11-20 or 21-30) teams.

The data supports that, unless Basketball Reference is 'fake news'?

Jokic fans love to make up fake reasons to bring down Embiid. If there was any legitimacy to this, there would be an article about it. Instead it's a bunch of internet nobodies, who have nothing better to do, trying to bring down the current MVP favorite, because their guy (Jokic) is having a down year, and currently not even close to the same amount of votes as Embiid.

So much for these threads not being toxic. ya'll come in here, and are literally making stuff up, and hoping **** sticks to the wall. You do realize none of you have a vote, and none of the voters will even bat an eye to this stuff. The only thing that will matter is if the MVP candidates don't meet the games played threshold.

“Internet nobodies”.

Who are all these people you use tweets for “evidence”

Lots of them are journalists.

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[bigboi]

Luka is number 2

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More reason for Embiid being MVP...

All the games he’s missed are contending teams.

[Mavrelous]

Someone with Embiid injury history should load manage, you guys are making mountains out of molehills, his team is comfortable in the 2-3 seed range, he can afford it.

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More reason for Embiid being MVP...

Weird you use this to justify when others are saying this is not good. Missed four games: @MIN, @NOP, @BOS, @MIA
Four road games vs. four strong teams, that's the time you prove your MVP, not the home games vs. WAS and DET.

[Wolfgang630]

Someone with Embiid injury history should load manage, you guys are making mountains out of molehills, his team is comfortable in the 2-3 seed range, he can afford it.

It’s fine for him to load manage against the good teams so he can run up his points against the bad teams? We’re discussing the MVP. This sticks out. If he wasn’t running for mvp nobody would care.

[Dirk]

Best two way playere in the association.