Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances

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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#121 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:12 am

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I'm still totally fine skipping on Herro. He would have done nothing for the Blazers but keep them a treadmill team, just like he's gonna do for the Heat as their best player.

I'd rather be bad until I get a real star than be a play-in team for the next 5 years.

I wouldn't tell anyone else how to team build, but I'm not a fan of rolling the dice on drafting a Wemby, you're not only relying on luck in terms of the lottery, but also the year you get the pick, since players like that only come around every 5 years or so. You also set up the organization with a culture of losing, I think the "Heat culture" meme is a bit overdone and lame, but I do think organizations with losing cultures have a very difficult time shaking that stigma. Look at the Pistons, they went from ECF every season to a perennial loser and that didn't take long at all.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#122 » by OutsidetheNBA » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:25 am

jowglenn wrote:To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"


Exactly right. There's several of things about this investigation that point away from Rozier intentionally being involved in illegal gambling.

1. Rozier is a high-salary NBA vet. As others have pointed out, why get involved when you make $20 million? Porter on his two-way contract, okay, fine. Rozier? It would take a serious bribe.

2. Yet we've heard there was unusual betting activity in only one game. Hard to imagine even the dumbest illegal gamblers could both (a) bribe Rozier enough to make it worth his while and (b) make a profit on a single under parlay. Remember, for Porter, the idiot who got him caught bet $80k on a low odds parlay that would have made him over a million (and of course the casino refused to cash the bet after Porter left the game).

3. Adding to number 2, in Porter's case there were only a couple of people who bribed Porter and then tried to make a ton of cash. Not what happened in the Rozier game. In that game, bunches of people took the under and won smaller amounts. Some were even posting on X, bragging that they knew he would sit out and showing bet slips where they made $100. The dude bragging on X that he made $100 is *not* part of a conspiracy. If he was part of a conspiracy, he would have bet more and he wouldn't have posted about it.

All that makes me think that the real target of the investigation is someone close to Rozier who leaked information. One very likely scenario: Rozier told a friend "my foot's injured and stubborn Steve Clifford wants me to play 40 minutes for a 27-win team. Hell no. Just watch. I'm leaving the game the first time I feel something in my foot." Then the friend or family member sells the information for money, or, more likely tells a bunch of other idiots who tell more idiots and suddenly rando FanDuel gamblers are making $100 bucks on tiny bets.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#123 » by WillyJakkz » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:22 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Looks like MJ did teach him some moves in Charlotte after all.


Low key maybe another reason besides paying off a debt Jordan sold the team?
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Post#124 » by Han Solo » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:27 am

This is huge if he is guilty. Everything is sports betting now. They shove it in our faces. Players are paid well. Well enough that you’d hope they wouldn’t “Black Sox” their career. Will also send shockwaves through the league. If he’s guilty..
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Post#125 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:53 am

We also need to remember that was year one of his 4 year $100 million deal. That would have to be some payout to risk losing out on $75 million if he was caught. People can question his intelligence and whatnot but I don’t think he’s that stupid to piss away $75 million.
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Post#126 » by AleksandarN » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:58 am

Infinite Llamas wrote:We also need to remember that was year one of his 4 year $100 million deal. That would have to be some payout to risk losing out on $75 million if he was caught. People can question his intelligence and whatnot but I don’t think he’s that stupid to piss away $75 million.

Unless he is a degenerate gambler and owed money to the wrong people. Doesn’t matter how rich you are there are many ways to spend it on high limit gambling
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#127 » by Sign5 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:15 am

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:We all make mistakes. Remember when Herro was a negative contract and unnecessary because of Simons and Scoot?

(note I do not care about this "rivalry", seems to be just a realgm and twitter thing, I was against Dame's bs at the time even though it almost benefited the Heat so my position is consistent at least)


Sharpe rather than Scoot and Simons but I get your point.


I'm still totally fine skipping on Herro. He would have done nothing for the Blazers but keep them a treadmill team, just like he's gonna do for the Heat as their best player.

I'd rather be bad until I get a real star than be a play-in team for the next 5 years.

Good for your team, not sure why Portland fans continue to insert themselves regarding the Dame stuff, he isn't even in Portland no more let it go lol. You're happy with your core good, trust me every fan is RELIEVED we didn't trade Herro plus jjj etc for Dame.

So stay amused I guess? Its been over a year and you'd think these two teams faced off in the playoffs jesus. You all are way down on list of teams we concern ourselves with rivals-wise. You also talk about being bad until you get a star and playins? However, just like when the pundits prematurely dismissed Heat as a perpetual treadmill fodder circa '16-'18, they then acquired Butler and went on to make the finals almost 3 of the 5.5 years. Point being anything can happen.

When exactly has Portland even made the finals? The one time they made the WCF you all got swept. So chill on assuming heat will just be perpetually desolate like you all have been since the 70s. Maybe you should check which teams that have made the finals the most since 2000. Betting on the Heat to be a play-in for the next 5 years is a losing game but I guess we'll see.

I like Ware, Herro, Bam, Jovic core and confident a premier player will eventually land on Heat. Enjoy the "fun" while it lasts lol.

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Post#128 » by XTC » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:29 am

Imagine making $25 million a year to be caught in a scandal like this... God damnnnb
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Post#129 » by -Luke- » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:15 am

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Liam_Gallagher wrote:Sports betting has gotten out of control.

The fact it's so mainstream really makes you question the quality of sports.


Is this a U.S thing because in Europe gambling is quite acceptable, in my country we have 14/15 year olds going to bet for football/soccer games.

It's a big problem in snooker (over/under bet on how many people on this forum have ever heard of that sport, brought to you by fanduel), so mainly UK/China. Multiple players have been banned in the last years.

But in football/soccer it's quite accepted, that's true. I suppose one of the differences is that it's not as easy there. Like other people have said, in the NBA you can bet on pretty much everything. And I haven't looked into betting for football/soccer in more than ten years, but isn't it still more or less which team wins and over/under how many goals are scored etc. and not really individual stuff? So probably way harder to fake something.
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#130 » by SweaterBae » Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:51 am

Bornstellar wrote:Embarrassing when guys who are making millions of dollars are doing stuff like this on the side. Pure greed


So what did he do?
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Re: Terry Rozier investigated by the feds for manipulating his performances 

Post#131 » by celtics543 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:21 pm

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jowglenn wrote:To give Rozier the benefit of the doubt, I am reading that he played 10 minutes and left with a sore foot. That doesn't mean he intentionally "threw" the game by faking his injury, nor does it mean he intentionally shared this info with someone so they could bet on it. It's entirely possible that he was suffering this foot injury already and they said "well let's get you out there and see how you feel, if it's sore we'll sit you after a bit of run" and any number of people were privy to that info. Rozier himself, of course, but any number of Heat staff, coaches, doctors, other players might well know that Rozier's foot was iffy and he was unlikely to play more than a short stint in that game. And it is possible that someone, knowing that information, fed it to a gambling cutout. But it's also possible they leaked the information unintentionally, and someone who found it out then used that info to place a bet.

I have to think that a lot of people who are connected to the NBA traffic in this kind of info for gambling purposes, and the players themselves don't even need to be in on it. A team doctor, Rozier's friend, his dog walker, his cousin, any one of them could have been chatting with Rozier and he inadvertently lets slip "yeah my foot is feeling a bit better, gonna try to play tomorrow night but probably won't play the full game, just gotta get in there and see how I feel"


Exactly right. There's several of things about this investigation that point away from Rozier intentionally being involved in illegal gambling.

1. Rozier is a high-salary NBA vet. As others have pointed out, why get involved when you make $20 million? Porter on his two-way contract, okay, fine. Rozier? It would take a serious bribe.

2. Yet we've heard there was unusual betting activity in only one game. Hard to imagine even the dumbest illegal gamblers could both (a) bribe Rozier enough to make it worth his while and (b) make a profit on a single under parlay. Remember, for Porter, the idiot who got him caught bet $80k on a low odds parlay that would have made him over a million (and of course the casino refused to cash the bet after Porter left the game).

3. Adding to number 2, in Porter's case there were only a couple of people who bribed Porter and then tried to make a ton of cash. Not what happened in the Rozier game. In that game, bunches of people took the under and won smaller amounts. Some were even posting on X, bragging that they knew he would sit out and showing bet slips where they made $100. The dude bragging on X that he made $100 is *not* part of a conspiracy. If he was part of a conspiracy, he would have bet more and he wouldn't have posted about it.

All that makes me think that the real target of the investigation is someone close to Rozier who leaked information. One very likely scenario: Rozier told a friend "my foot's injured and stubborn Steve Clifford wants me to play 40 minutes for a 27-win team. Hell no. Just watch. I'm leaving the game the first time I feel something in my foot." Then the friend or family member sells the information for money, or, more likely tells a bunch of other idiots who tell more idiots and suddenly rando FanDuel gamblers are making $100 bucks on tiny bets.


This feels like the most reasonable response. Lots of people knew Rozier was hurting. They tell other people, even without any malicious intent behind it. People bet the under because they know he's sore and probably isn't playing a lot. Casinos haven't changed the over/under based on this information. People make money and now Rozier is in trouble for allegedly throwing the game. To be fair, he did sit out a bunch more games after this one with the same injury.

He may be guilty but my guess is that he had nothing to do with it.
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Post#132 » by ChumboChappati » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:37 pm

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Post#133 » by Ruma85 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:46 pm

-Luke- wrote:
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moss_is_1 wrote:The fact it's so mainstream really makes you question the quality of sports.


Is this a U.S thing because in Europe gambling is quite acceptable, in my country we have 14/15 year olds going to bet for football/soccer games.

It's a big problem in snooker (over/under bet on how many people on this forum have ever heard of that sport, brought to you by fanduel), so mainly UK/China. Multiple players have been banned in the last years.

But in football/soccer it's quite accepted, that's true. I suppose one of the differences is that it's not as easy there. Like other people have said, in the NBA you can bet on pretty much everything. And I haven't looked into betting for football/soccer in more than ten years, but isn't it still more or less which team wins and over/under how many goals are scored etc. and not really individual stuff? So probably way harder to fake something.


I mean traditionally you bet on who wins or how many goals are scored by the time the game is over or how many goals are scored by half time, there is other unusual ones as which player shoots on goal first, or who gets a yellow/red card etc...
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Post#134 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:12 pm

If this is true he’s done.
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Post#135 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:13 pm

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Infinite Llamas wrote:We also need to remember that was year one of his 4 year $100 million deal. That would have to be some payout to risk losing out on $75 million if he was caught. People can question his intelligence and whatnot but I don’t think he’s that stupid to piss away $75 million.

Unless he is a degenerate gambler and owed money to the wrong people. Doesn’t matter how rich you are there are many ways to spend it on high limit gambling


Absolutely. High stakes gambling could also cause the death of a loved one, like a dad. Then force you to take a year off and do something to take your mind off things such as playing minor league baseball.
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Post#136 » by ITYSL » Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:25 pm

I wonder if there is anyone who was on the Raptors staff in 2024 who was also on the Hornets staff in 2023.
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Post#137 » by NbaAllDay » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:23 pm

As much as people like to look up to Sports player, a lot of the time they are just as ignorant and empty between the ears as the average person.
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Post#138 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:49 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:Sports betting has gotten out of control.

The fact it's so mainstream really makes you question the quality of sports.


It was an inevitability this stuff was going to happen and will continue to as league bear hug gambling. Pendulum swung so quickly, all these leagues are going to have to play catchup.


If few guys gets caught, I imagine the rest will realize its not worth it. I want to point out that Rozier is not proven guilty, this could be complete BS, but if he fixed his performance, this happened in 2023, before Porter, when guy would believe he can get away with it. Just 2 years later, precedents are set, and betting agencies proved that they are very hard to be fooled.
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Post#139 » by ShootersShoot » Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:54 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:We also need to remember that was year one of his 4 year $100 million deal. That would have to be some payout to risk losing out on $75 million if he was caught. People can question his intelligence and whatnot but I don’t think he’s that stupid to piss away $75 million.

Unless he is a degenerate gambler and owed money to the wrong people. Doesn’t matter how rich you are there are many ways to spend it on high limit gambling


Hard to believe he owed so much money that a 100 mill contract couldnt pay off, and that betting on one game would..doesnt make sense at all.

It makes more sense that he was just both dumb and greedy.
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Post#140 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:55 pm

NbaAllDay wrote:As much as people like to look up to Sports player, a lot of the time they are just as ignorant and empty between the ears as the average person.


Rozier could be innocent still. But reminded me of, have you seen that clip from this season were Rudy Gobert filmed himself askinghois teammates which continent Egypt is at, and none of this teammates knew the answer..? All these guys "went" to college...

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