Post Mortem #28 - New York Knicks

[Ssj16]

The current CBA is bad and this has nothing to do with the Knicks.

Historically, the NBA is most popular when the end of the playoffs features the same few teams meeting over and over again relative to high parity eras. Low parity eras turn off some fans who find a certain matchup boring. I found Warriors-Cavs a snore. But for everyone of us you lose you attract more casuals who prefer the repeat matchup with both teams bringing back the marquees players.

The current CBA encourages breaking up good teams and discourages elite players form pairing together. That's the opposite of what fans want.

Even worse the CBA's extreme penalties encourages tanking since having enough rookies on your roster ensures that you aren't at risk of the cap penalties.

The CBA blows.

I've mentioned this in other threads, I think they need to tweak the CBA to allow flexibility for players who are home grown or who have been on your roster for X amount of years and are trying to re-up.

It's so stupid that you could draft a core in very amazing fashion like Boston, Denver, OKC, etc, only to have to get screwed because you gotta pay crazy luxury taxes once the players you drafted are off their rookie deal.

I heard this new CBA was a reaction to KD joining GS but I feel like there is a better way to penalize an MVP joining an already overpowered team outside of penalizing all the GMs who draft well and build their teams responsibly from the ground up.

[Yank3525]

I heard this new CBA was a reaction to KD joining GS but I feel like there is a better way to penalize an MVP joining an already overpowered team outside of penalizing all the GMs who draft well and build their teams responsibly from the ground up

Funny thing is it was the greedy *** players fault for KD going to GS. They wanted all the money up front which allowed for the cap spike which gave the Warriors the opportunity to sign him. Without that, KD probably goes back to OKC for at least another year.

[knicksstuff]

The CBA should allow teams that drafted that player to pay him the max but his total salary doesnt count against. Even it out a little for the teams that build homegrown guys to keep them together

[penbeast0]

Unrealistic rant upcoming -- skip if you like

CBA should just take 50% of total revenues (or whatever number is negotiated) and designate them into a pool. Then every player in the league based on what percentage of the total NBA minutes they actually played the previous year (so they can plan financially). Stars get more using a formula like (simplest version) double the salary if you are an all-Star where you get your 10 starters by overall fan vote then every team that doesn't have a fan voted all-star gets to have their fanbase choose one player from that team to go as well, so minimum of 30 all stars. If a team gets two players voted on, great, they have 2 and there will be 31. MVP doubles salary again so 4x minutes based salary. Other awards to be determined by negotiations. If you earn less than half the base salary you did the year before, you get half instead (better of 2 years past if they made all-star team). Rookies get minutes only that match with the minutes actually played by rookies the previous year with the 1st pick getting the most, etc. even if they previous year's #1 didn't get the most minutes, ROY gets double. Takes the overpaid tag out of play and the stupid contracts they give out to people like Brad Beal; hopefully encourages players to actually play rather than seek out minute limits and the like.

[basketballwacko2]

All this talk about the CBA and the greedy this and that...


Let me say this the NBA generates a huge amount of money from TV money to attendance to the merch and sales of stuff at the games. The NBA/Teams/Owners get their piece, the Players get their piece, the Agents get a piece. What do us fans get? We get to watch the games and buy the stuff and tickets that generate the huge money. Shouldn't we get something more?

[YogurtProducer]

The current CBA is bad and this has nothing to do with the Knicks.

Historically, the NBA is most popular when the end of the playoffs features the same few teams meeting over and over again relative to high parity eras. Low parity eras turn off some fans who find a certain matchup boring. I found Warriors-Cavs a snore. But for everyone of us you lose you attract more casuals who prefer the repeat matchup with both teams bringing back the marquees players.

The current CBA encourages breaking up good teams and discourages elite players form pairing together. That's the opposite of what fans want.

Even worse the CBA's extreme penalties encourages tanking since having enough rookies on your roster ensures that you aren't at risk of the cap penalties.

The CBA blows.

Why not give the CBA a few years before claiming it’s bad? We’re in a transitionary period in which teams haven’t had time to react or fully plan their teams for these aprons

The CBA discourages massive spending. Over time I’m gonna guess teams start being smarter with contracts. Stop giving every good starter the max.

[boomershadow]

All this talk about the CBA and the greedy this and that...


Let me say this the NBA generates a huge amount of money from TV money to attendance to the merch and sales of stuff at the games. The NBA/Teams/Owners get their piece, the Players get their piece, the Agents get a piece. What do us fans get? We get to watch the games and buy the stuff and tickets that generate the huge money. Shouldn't we get something more?

Like what? Get paid to be a fan?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

All this talk about the CBA and the greedy this and that...


Let me say this the NBA generates a huge amount of money from TV money to attendance to the merch and sales of stuff at the games. The NBA/Teams/Owners get their piece, the Players get their piece, the Agents get a piece. What do us fans get? We get to watch the games and buy the stuff and tickets that generate the huge money. Shouldn't we get something more?

Like what? Get paid to be a fan?

So crazy it just might work!

[basketballwacko2]

All this talk about the CBA and the greedy this and that...


Let me say this the NBA generates a huge amount of money from TV money to attendance to the merch and sales of stuff at the games. The NBA/Teams/Owners get their piece, the Players get their piece, the Agents get a piece. What do us fans get? We get to watch the games and buy the stuff and tickets that generate the huge money. Shouldn't we get something more?

Like what? Get paid to be a fan?

I don't know but seems like without us fans the NBA wouldn't exist, or would be like the WNBA.

[itrsteve]

The CBA should allow teams that drafted that player to pay him the max but his total salary doesnt count against. Even it out a little for the teams that build homegrown guys to keep them together

This is what I've been saying, maybe like .75x the amount or something. The CBA is at direct odds with the tools within it to reward and incentivize players to stay with their incumbent team.

We're going to have a league of 30 teams with 1 max player then some other guys. Then that guy gets hurt and all marketability of that season is out the window.

[Snotbubbles]

The CBA should allow teams that drafted that player to pay him the max but his total salary doesnt count against. Even it out a little for the teams that build homegrown guys to keep them together

This is what I've been saying, maybe like .75x the amount or something. The CBA is at direct odds with the tools within it to reward and incentivize players to stay with their incumbent team.

We're going to have a league of 30 teams with 1 max player then some other guys. Then that guy gets hurt and all marketability of that season is out the window.

And your alternative is to have a few teams with multiple max players and some teams with none?