OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT

[Lalouie]

I thought djoker was about jokic,,, like dsoraki the hip hop dancer

[Bolivar]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

[Ol Roy]

Great player but anti-vaxxer so we'll remember him that way. LOL

Maintaining, in 2025, that young healthy males were somehow morally deficient or stupid for not getting a Covid vaccine is truly embarrassing.

Vaccine hesitancy definitely led to a lot of deaths. We're not gonna get into this deeply, because you would say that vaccines did not save any lives, but you are obviously wrong, and yes, if more young people would have vaccinated, a lot less people would have died. The CDC doing and saying idiotic things - which they did - does not change this fact. People not understanding that immunization does not mean what they think they mean or should mean also does not change it.

No, I wouldn't say that vaccines didn't save any lives. They saved the lives of many unhealthy and elderly people. Hesitancy among people who needed vaccination did cost lives, but that is precisely due to the blatant dishonesty of health authorities. Such as refusing to differentiate the risk levels of different population groups and refusing to acknowledge that people who had already caught Covid had immunity.

Many more lives were saved when Covid mutated into a less deadly variant, which happened to coincide with mass vaccination. At that point immunity became ubiquitous even if it was inconvenient to the prevailing political push. There was never any clear cost-benefit analysis that showed young, healthy people needed the shot and that it outweighed possible side effects, nor was there any evidence that it would have benefited other people, because it didn't stop transmission.

I am a young, healthy male. I caught Covid during the first year, before vaccines were developed. I beat it over a weekend...and I never caught it again or at least was never symptomatic. I never stopped working among masses of people. Because I understand the purpose of a vaccine is to replicate natural immunity, I knew I didn't need to get vaccinated. The lack of long-term studies and reports of heart issues in young men led me to believe getting vaccinated would be a net negative risk. And yet, but for the Supreme Court, I would have been fired due to an illegal OSHA mandate. The test of time has proven people like Djokovic and I made the right decision, and yet people trapped in a time warp continue to insist we are stupid, bad people. But actually, they are the stupid, bad people and are still deeply resentful that the prudent, thoughtful people destroyed their fearmonging narrative and debunked their hypochondriac ideology.

[G R E Y]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

Yeah whoever is vying for 3rd is such a distance behind the top two they may as well be outside of the top 10.

[EH15]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

Draper is the closest one, and Joao Fonseca is the one to look out for.

But yeah, barring injury these 2 could win every single Slam for the next 4 years.

[GeorgeSears]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

That's the big difference right now, there's no clear no.3. Certainly no one that can threaten the order.

From 2004-2010 Feder and Nadal racked up 16 and 9 GS respectively out of 28 (the others included Djokovic, Del Potro, and Safin). It was clearly a two man race, with the odd one here and there.

Alcaraz will be a big Wimbledon and French open favorite, and Sinner probably US Open and Australian Open.

[Johnny Fontane]

Alcaraz now 8-3 h2h vs sinner. Clearly the better player and sole goat of the next generation. Only thing that can ever slow him down is injuries or he for sure can reach 30 major wins

[EH15]

Yeah, he for 'sure' will reach 30 when the other guy standing in his way has won the last 3 hard court slams

[MissileMike]

Alcaraz now 8-3 h2h vs sinner. Clearly the better player and sole goat of the next generation. Only thing that can ever slow him down is injuries or he for sure can reach 30 major wins

I disagree. Sinner has gradually closed the gap and improved more over the past two seasons than Carlos has. Today he almost got him on clay.

[AleksandarN]

Haha, so far from the truth. Funnily enough, I was actually a Djokovic fan for almost a decade, but his family and his absolute joke holistic views turned me off so much. Also, Serbian fans are absolutely the most terrible fans in the world. Actually, they are the best fans, and the worst fans, all in one. No one can root for players like them, and there aren't bigger homers on the planet than them either. Djokovic and Joker could literally do anything, and they would justify it (not that Joker is anything close to Nole in the absolute silliness that he represents).

Stop generalizing you are better than that. Saying that fans from certain countries are homers. It is pathetic. I met a lot of Serbian people who are ultra critical of Jokic and Novak.

Okay, fair enough. In my defense, they are definitely not the internet. I never, ever saw a Serbian fan online who was critical of either (other than the Jokic not playing on the national team a summer).

My nationality is Serbian and I started a thread titled Jokić is not him. Also Bogdan Bogdanovic was named Serbian basketball player of the year in 2023. Thats after Jokic won FMVP and the NBA and considered the best player on the planet. Serbian fans are more critical of jokic than most

[AleksandarN]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

That's the big difference right now, there's no clear no.3. Certainly no one that can threaten the order.

From 2004-2010 Feder and Nadal racked up 16 and 9 GS respectively out of 28 (the others included Djokovic, Del Potro, and Safin). It was clearly a two man race, with the odd one here and there.

Alcaraz will be a big Wimbledon and French open favorite, and Sinner probably US Open and Australian Open.

If anything I think Novak last shot might be the next two Wimbledons.

[rockmanslim]

Sinner had Alcaraz on his back foot most of the match, and he was making it look Stephortless. Alcaraz got lucky twice, once when Sinner got the yips up triple championship break point, and then again when Sinner came up lame going for that drop shot.

Alcaraz fought back and took full advantage and won, but Sinner is better, imo.

[FreeBird23]

Stop generalizing you are better than that. Saying that fans from certain countries are homers. It is pathetic. I met a lot of Serbian people who are ultra critical of Jokic and Novak.

Okay, fair enough. In my defense, they are definitely not the internet. I never, ever saw a Serbian fan online who was critical of either (other than the Jokic not playing on the national team a summer).

My nationality is Serbian and I started a thread titled Jokić is not him. Also Bogdan Bogdanovic was named Serbian basketball player of the year in 2023. Thats after Jokic won FMVP and the NBA and considered the best player on the planet. Serbian fans are more critical of jokic than most

Genuine question : why ?

[AleksandarN]

Okay, fair enough. In my defense, they are definitely not the internet. I never, ever saw a Serbian fan online who was critical of either (other than the Jokic not playing on the national team a summer).

My nationality is Serbian and I started a thread titled Jokić is not him. Also Bogdan Bogdanovic was named Serbian basketball player of the year in 2023. Thats after Jokic won FMVP and the NBA and considered the best player on the planet. Serbian fans are more critical of jokic than most

Genuine question : why ?

Mostly they have higher expectations for him anyone else. When he doesn’t meet them that’s the issue. Also his support for the current president is also a sticking point for some. Not me I could care less. Also with him not playing for the national team a couple of times because of rest

[Johnny Firpo]

Sinner had Alcaraz on his back foot most of the match, and he was making it look Stephortless. Alcaraz got lucky twice, once when Sinner got the yips up triple championship break point, and then again when Sinner came up lame going for that drop shot.

Alcaraz fought back and took full advantage and won, but Sinner is better, imo.

Sinner's base level is definitely above anyone, and possibly the highest we've ever seen. But his absolute best is probably not as good as Alcaraz', and definitely not as good as the big 3's. Not yet anyway, but he still has so much time. It's not like the good old days of tennis when players were peaking 21-25. Sinner could absolutely be a better player at 30 than he is at 23, right now.

[Raps in 4]

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

That's the big difference right now, there's no clear no.3. Certainly no one that can threaten the order.

From 2004-2010 Feder and Nadal racked up 16 and 9 GS respectively out of 28 (the others included Djokovic, Del Potro, and Safin). It was clearly a two man race, with the odd one here and there.

Alcaraz will be a big Wimbledon and French open favorite, and Sinner probably US Open and Australian Open.

If anything I think Novak last shot might be the next two Wimbledons.

I feel clay is his best surface at this stage of his career, and he just got trounced by Sinner. I don't think he's going to win another GS, unless he can somehow avoid both Alcaraz and Sinner in a tournament.

[Raps in 4]

That was the highest level tennis match I've seen in a long time. Shame that there had to be a loser. Sinner and Alcaraz are probably going to redefine the GOAT debate in 10 years time.

I have a hard time imagining what kind of scenario would lead to anyone else winning a grand slam besides these two (aside from mayyybe some one-off "one last time" from Djokovic). The difference in skill and mentality is so massive to any flavor of the month who finds himself at #3 or anyone from the current top10 really. Hopefully someone will rise from "the next generation", hopefully those that are around age 18-20 now.

Draper is the closest one, and Joao Fonseca is the one to look out for.

But yeah, barring injury these 2 could win every single Slam for the next 4 years.

This generation needs its Stanimal.