The Thompson Twins considering representing Jamaica in the FIBA World Cup and the Olympics

[lethalizer]

Most countries do not give citezenships to new borns, they follow the principle of blood law, I believe thats how these things were called, blood and sun laws.

You're right, a lot of countries in the world don't do "jus soli", meaning citizenship by birth in said country.

Though a lot of countries, including Lithuania, grant citizenship based by birth if a newborn has the potential to become "stateless" after birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Reduction_of_Statelessness

Just a bit of additional info.

[UcanUwill]

Most countries do not give citezenships to new borns, they follow the principle of blood law, I believe thats how these things were called, blood and sun laws.

You're right, a lot of countries in the world don't do "jus soli", meaning citizenship by birth in said country.

Though a lot of countries, including Lithuania, grant citizenship based by birth if a newborn has the potential to become "stateless" after birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Reduction_of_Statelessness

Just a bit of additional info.

Yeah, I mean I expect every country to give citezenship to stateless child, but what I mean, by blood law rules, if you get like two Italian parents who just give birth in foreign country, the child will be considered Italian and no one will give him free citezenship. In US, they will give US citezenship to everyone born there, at least thats how it used to be, and I believe these sun law countries like USA were a minority,

[lethalizer]

Most countries do not give citezenships to new borns, they follow the principle of blood law, I believe thats how these things were called, blood and sun laws.

You're right, a lot of countries in the world don't do "jus soli", meaning citizenship by birth in said country.

Though a lot of countries, including Lithuania, grant citizenship based by birth if a newborn has the potential to become "stateless" after birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Reduction_of_Statelessness

Just a bit of additional info.

Yeah, I mean I expect every country to give citezenship to stateless child, but what I mean, by blood law rules, if you get like two Italian parents who just get birth in foreign country, the child will be considered Italian and no one will give him free citezenship. In US, they will give US citezenship to everyone born there, at least thats how it used to be.

Yeah that's what I said in the first sentence. I wasn't disagreeing with you, was agreeing and adding additional info.

The "jus soli" countries are mostly in the American continents, the European side doesn't really do it.

[UcanUwill]

You're right, a lot of countries in the world don't do "jus soli", meaning citizenship by birth in said country.

Though a lot of countries, including Lithuania, grant citizenship based by birth if a newborn has the potential to become "stateless" after birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Reduction_of_Statelessness

Just a bit of additional info.

Yeah, I mean I expect every country to give citezenship to stateless child, but what I mean, by blood law rules, if you get like two Italian parents who just get birth in foreign country, the child will be considered Italian and no one will give him free citezenship. In US, they will give US citezenship to everyone born there, at least thats how it used to be.

Yeah that's what I said in the first sentence. I wasn't disagreeing with you, was agreeing and adding additional info.

The "jus soli" countries are mostly in the American continents, the European side doesn't really do it.

Nah, I understand you just provided additional info, I basically just repeated what I already said, sorry.

I Just always thought "jus soli'' is very weird way of doing it, it can create exploits and problems. Some countries only allow one citezenship, so that can create a lot of problems, and on exploit side, like you want your child American passport, go there when you are pregnant. It probably limits and impacts the ability to enter said country to begin with, otherwise a lot of people would try to exploit it maybe, I don't know?

[gavran]

What about Carlos Boozer, Joel Embiid, Hakeem, Wilkins, Irving? Why was the US able to claim them?

Well, for Hakeem and Embiid for politics, but Boozer, Wilkins and Irving are all Americans, they just happaned to be born when both their American parents were living in a different country.

So it's now ok if say, if an American born player had to foreign born parents and they happen to be born in the USA, they should play for their parents home country?

Should? No. Could? Absolutely, if they want to. Especially if, like the players you have mentioned, didn't even grow up in the US. I mean, Kyrie was 2 when he moved to the US from Australia, what connection would he have to the country? Propably doesn't even speak the language. That's the joke meme.

[Optms]

Aren't they American born and raised? Do they need to get Jamaican citizenship to play for the team?

FIBA doesnt seem to care about any naturalization rules for certain countries. Nigeria and Bahamas were allowed to stack their teams with players from the USA.

Of course, for 95 percent of other countries, FIBA is extremely strict in only allowing one player that is not from their country on their national teams.

The whole thing is an absolute joke.

FIBA promoting parity. And also as long as it’s better money for that org. Not yet FIFA levels of corruption, but we’ll get there. LOL


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Parity at the cost of credibility, sure.

[durden_tyler]

FIBA doesnt seem to care about any naturalization rules for certain countries. Nigeria and Bahamas were allowed to stack their teams with players from the USA.

Of course, for 95 percent of other countries, FIBA is extremely strict in only allowing one player that is not from their country on their national teams.

The whole thing is an absolute joke.

FIBA promoting parity. And also as long as it’s better money for that org. Not yet FIFA levels of corruption, but we’ll get there. LOL


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Parity at the cost of credibility, sure.

FIFA does not care about credibility yet it has the biggest and most profitable sporting event (World Cup) in the world.

Welcome to the world of sports, and corruption.


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[Mirotic12]

Well, for Hakeem and Embiid for politics, but Boozer, Wilkins and Irving are all Americans, they just happaned to be born when both their American parents were living in a different country.

So it's now ok if say, if an American born player had to foreign born parents and they happen to be born in the USA, they should play for their parents home country?

I think he says complete opposite. Kyrie getting born in Australia didn't make him not American, just like Domantas Sabonis being born in Portland, didn't make him not Lithuanian anymore. I think Kyrie plays for USA as he should and Domantas plays for Lithuania as he should. That is exactly what he is saying.
That said, USA is one of the rarer countries that follow sun law and give citenzenship to everyone born in their borders, so guy like Domantas Sabonis could have played for USA if he wanted. Most countries do not give citezenships to new borns, they follow the principle of blood law, I believe thats how these things were called, blood and sun laws.

The rules are all totally arbitrary. The Greek federation said that they couldn't have Sasha Vezenkov as a player, unless he was considered naturalized.

He was born in the Greek section of Cyrpus. He lived there until 13. Then he moved to Greece at 13, and spent the rest of his youth years there.

He went to Greek schools, speaks Greek, etc. He played in Greek youth teams with Aris from age 13, and before that with youth teams in the Greek section of Cyprus. He spent most of his pro career in Greece.

But Greece didn't make an offer for him to join the national team, because FIBA said he had to be counted as a naturalized player.

Interestingly enough, Vezenkov's sister was supposedly eligible to play for both Cyprus or Greece, as a non naturalized player.

The "rules" are just totally arbitrary.

[NyKnicks1714]

I like it. Id rather guys do this than be front runners like Embiid

Play for a country they've never lived in? If LeBron or Curry or KD by some technicality could have played for Greece and chose Team USA instead, would they deserve criticism too?

Embiid is a US citizen and has lived here more than half his life. He should be free to play for Team USA without people attacking him for it.

[MarcusBrody]

These things have been fluid for a long time but it's now becoming a problem for Americans as they are a bit concerned regarding their future generations.

USA is generally *very* inclusive when it comes to these things. Heck, the son of Liberia's former president plays for them in football, just think about that for a second.

I say if a player has an actual right to play for a country, just let them pick. It ain't an easy process most of the time anyway.

Timothy Weah was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Florida/NY, playing for a teams in the US Soccer Development Academy then an MLS academy. He moved to a European academy at 14. He never lived in Liberia and his dad didn't become president of Nigeria until he was about to turn 18.

Not saying I disagree with your conclusion, but given that Timothy Weah was born and raised in the US, the fact that his father (who was living largely in the US) later became president of Liberia seems an odd thing to note as potentially disqualifying).

[Lockdown504090]

These guys can make USA in 3 years I don’t think they should go play for another country if they have a chance to play for America

[tradez401]

shoutout to Canada alot of Jamaicans reside there and the United Kingdom.