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Its quite funny to discredit the value of late first round picks while trading for someone who got picked at the end of the 1st round.
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styLesdavis wrote:Its quite funny to discredit the value of late first round picks while trading for someone who got picked at the end of the 1st round.
How many late first round picks do you think actually turn out to be as good as Banes? By your logic you might as well not trade any second-round draft picks because they can turn out to be Joker. Failure of this trade is dependent on numbers and chance, and I like the magic chances they will be fine.
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pepe1991 wrote:Synciere wrote:picc wrote:Every year fans surprise me with how appalled they are at good teams who just traded themselves into near-contenders giving up first round picks.
Like yeah, the Magic should have kept those picks because one of them could end up being as good as... Desmond Bane?![]()
What do you guys think the point of basketball is? To hoard coinflip low first-round picks? The 20th pick in the draft isn't gonna do jack ish to help Orlando get to the ECF, but Desmond **** Bane might.
Agreed.
Most fans can’t relate to players bc they weren’t anywhere near as good as them. But people can be smart enough to be in a front office, so they can relate easier to the executives. Superfans like us who post on a Site called Realgm probably have that complex as well. So they look at team building and think of you have a bunch of ‘assets’ you’ll always have a chance to make moves to be better and build a contender. They value picks more than established players bc every pick could turn into a Core All Star and on smaller contracts that’s how you supposedly build a team that can contend for years to come.
What people can’t seem to get their heads around is that Orlando has already done that. They have two REALLY good young guys in Franz and Pablo that they got high in the lottery. Their picks are never going to be high in the lottery again if those guys are healthy. They have to hope they strike it big with late firsts and find another Bane, who they’ll have to wait three or four years to turn into that player. Getting him now, already signed long term, with his prime years ahead is very valuable. Losing the Suns pick hurts but there’s no guarantee they’ll be bad either, especially since they have no reason to tank for other teams. Like the Rams, man f*** them picks! They’re going for it now, and I tip my hat to every team hustling hard to win a chip.
I hear what you say, and there is some validity in it, but i still don't really agree with mind process. Gobert, Mikal, Bane. All those deals are bad. Just because teams repeat same mistake, it does not make it less of an mistake.
It was like when salary cap went up and every fool under a Sun was burning money on backup Cs just to use new salary pocket.
So over span of single season you got:
Biyombo on $17M a year
Ian Mahinmi 4 years $64M contract
Mozgov contract
Carroll 4 years $58M
Fournier 4 years $85M
Mike Conley veteran max
Horford 4 years $113M
Brad Beal 5 years vet max
Batum max
Bezmore outrage contract
And guess what? Herd mentality "they did it, that makes it good" was pretty much dagger for all those teams in terms of flexibility. Like my mother always told me when 8 years old me said " but mom friends did it too" , she would reply "if they jump off building would you too" ?
Trading picks 3-4-5 years in advance is simply dumb because whole bunch of things happen and change in that time frame.
Look at 2021 standings: Suns, Nets, Jezz and 76ers held top 2 records in their conference.
Look where their picks landed in 2025: 3#, 5#, 7#, 10#. All top 10 in lottery. How royally screwed all those teams would be if they were giving up unprotected picks back then?
Trading 4 unprotected picks for player that isn't top 10-15 player in his prime is just flat out silly.
You say those picks won't be high. Magic own pick was 16# pick this year, being 1-2 losses away from lottery. On East.
Magic pretty much gutted all their assets and still didn't solve their biggest position of need- point guard.
And their C lineup is paper tin: injury prone Wendell, injury prone Isaac ( who isn't C to being with) and Goga. PF depth is Isaac. SF depth is TDS who was not even used in playoffs (neither did Goga). Guard depth are Jett Howard ( red shirted for two years) and Black ( closer to SF than guard).
Goga and Moe have team options worth $18M, Moe has ACL tear and won't return up until at some point in Feb. or March.
I agree with your take that fans overvalue picks in some mystery box syndrome. But 4 unprotected picks for player that isn't even top 20 player ( not even close tbh ) , to a team that didn't pass first round of playoffs with current core , on team that already has SG but has no PG is some knee jerk reaction to crappy playoffs and rushing decision before you asses who else is available.
This type of deal is what Magic should have offered to Dončić or Booker or Maxey or Jamal Murray.
It's not type of trade you go get third best player on team that got historically waxed in first round against true contender, where he couldn't dribble the ball in front of Caruso. And who only "run PG " on 27-55 team on 30# ranked offense, and drive home conclusion " yea, he can play PG".
So, your actual criticism is based on Bane not being a top 20 player, which he isn't.
However, he is probably a top 50 player.
I want to ask realgm, how many top 50 players were available, for essentially nothing. And then of those players you identified as "Top 50" How many could be a positive on a team like the Orlando Magic. That list turns into like... 2 players that were available.
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Here is a list of every player the Magic have ever drafted with a first round pick that was #15 or later:
Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)
So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.
Yeah, give me Bane...
Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)
So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.
Yeah, give me Bane...
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MagicMadness wrote:Here is a list of every player the Magic have ever drafted with a first round pick that was #15 or later:
Stanley Roberts (1991)
Geert Hammink
Brooks Thompson
David Vaughn
Brian Evans
Johnny Taylor
Matt Harpring
Steven Hunter
Jeryl Sasser
Curtis Borchardt
Reece Gaines
Courtney Lee
Daniel Orton
Andrew Nicholson
Anzejs Pasecniks
Chuma Okeke
Cole Anthony (2020)
So the best late first round picks the Magic have EVER selected were probably...Courtney Lee and Cole Anthony. Yikes.
Yeah, give me Bane...
The our scouting department is trash so who cares about first round picks is a brain dead argument.
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Weltman playing 4D chess.YogurtProducer wrote:picc wrote:NBA fans will have you thinking every first round pick is 2008 Derrick Rose. Like what the hell is Orlando gonna do with 4 dudes drafted in the low 20s?
This isn't the MJ Bobcats trading first rounders. You mf'ers really out here curving Desmond Bane so you can draft Dalton Knecht.
Think.
Always a winning strategy to give out unprotected firsts for non all stars.
Orlando gonna cap themselves out and hinder their ability to trade picks for future upgrades.
Just an all around dumb trade.
Everyone always craps on him for not making moves, now they won't have any picks that are tradeable or space to sign guys. So no one will criticize him for the lack of moves bc none will be possible.
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OrlandoDream wrote:Yeah you don't get how cap works and what orlando needs.
I understand how the cap works - Allocating 90+% of it to Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo is not a great thing (plus $15M to Issac, and $18M to WCJ).
No disagreement here - but Bane is not the guy you should have been moving excess picks for. By moving the 2028 and 2030 picks, you not cannot trade your own first between 2027 and 2031 - in the time where you are going to be so cap crunched you will need flexibility - and now you have none.Orlando has 8 FRP in the next 7 drafts. Two alone this draft. We are not bringing in TWO rookies next season. This is the offseason to make moves and start unloading some of those picks for now impact players.
Your futre pick situation is now:
2025 #25
2027 1st (cannot trade as locked)
2029 1st (worst of ORL and MEM)
2031 1st (cannot trade as locked).
But hey - at least you locked all future flexibility for DESMOND BANE

Trade value based on "all star" title is stupid. Desmond Bane has been putting numbers the last 3 years better then some players in the all star game this year (Herro, Garland, Jdub). He is everything Orlando needs, AND we were able to keep Suggs?!? ANy trade for a "all star" like Trae Young(inflated contract) would cost Orlando Jalen Suggs and that is something we're not willing to do.
Sure - you named 3 other guys who are not true stars either.
Orlando had two ways to improve the roster. Give up Suggs and minimal picks for an upgrade backcourt player or keep their trio intact and use the plethora of picks we have. The front office believes in this young trio and has now added Bane for shooting, playmaking, and offensive punch.
Bane is not going to be adding much to this squad. He put up nice numbers as the #1 option on a bad MEM team last year, and now is the 3rd option on a ORL team who sucks offensively and he is DEFINITELY not the answer to improve there.
You brought up Trae, and in all honesty he would have been a much better get for you guys as a great defensive team who could take on a guy like Trae to give you 25-30ppg an 10apg and run your offense while everyone else covered up for him. Instead you added more of the same.
Bane is a good player, but I think its a bad trade to give up so much and cap so much flexibility for a guy who is just another guy who won't make an all-star game.
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Mad Guru wrote:I want to ask realgm, how many top 50 players were available, for essentially nothing. And then of those players you identified as "Top 50" How many could be a positive on a team like the Orlando Magic. That list turns into like... 2 players that were available.
4 firsts is "essentially nothing"?
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donkki wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:picc wrote:NBA fans will have you thinking every first round pick is 2008 Derrick Rose. Like what the hell is Orlando gonna do with 4 dudes drafted in the low 20s?
This isn't the MJ Bobcats trading first rounders. You mf'ers really out here curving Desmond Bane so you can draft Dalton Knecht.
Think.
Always a winning strategy to give out unprotected firsts for non all stars.
Orlando gonna cap themselves out and hinder their ability to trade picks for future upgrades.
Just an all around dumb trade.
Bane is an All-Star caliber player who put up 19/6/5 while shooting 48%/39%/89%. That's why this trade is so great for Orlando.
All-star caliber player who has never made an all-star game. 19/6/5 is not all-star caliber anymore.
54th in the league in PPG.
47th in RPG
32nd in APG
And those ALL are going to go down now that he will be the 3rd option instead of the 2nd in MEM.
Other comparable guards:
Monk - 17/4/6
Reaves - 20/5/6
White - 20/4/4
Garland - 21/3/7
Green - 21/5/4
Barrett - 21/6/5
Murray - 21/4/6
Jdub - 21/5/5+
Total of 3 all star games between them (Garland x2, and Jdub x1)
Bane is fine. Bane is not worth 4 1sts and 2 rotation pieces. There is no guarantee this makes Orlando significantly better.
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It's crazy to me that so many people are talking about how none of the players they'd draft with those picks would be as good as Bane and missing the point completely. Unprotected first round picks are trade assets. They are a major component of the trade packages that get traded for stars when they become available for trade. That's how you need to primarily assess them here, not as the players the guys drafted with those picks will become many years from now. I mean Bane will probably be long gone by the time the player drafted with the 2028 pick reaches the age of say 22-23.
I don't think trading them for someone who is borderline All-star level is wise, and if you disagree that's fine, we can only wait and see what happens either way, but at least recognize the future 1sts as what they are.
I don't think trading them for someone who is borderline All-star level is wise, and if you disagree that's fine, we can only wait and see what happens either way, but at least recognize the future 1sts as what they are.
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If only Dallas had a GM like Memphis, Luka would have been traded for like 12 picks
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Mister Ze wrote:If only Dallas had a GM like Memphis, Luka would have been traded for like 12 picks
Now, imagine what Giannis would actually be traded for if the Bucks were willing to trade him. Last week there were actually trades thrown out there worse than what Memphis received for Bane.

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Ssj16 wrote:Effigy wrote:Jadoogar wrote:Magic set the market. 3 unprotected picks and a swap for Desmond Bane is very rich. Idk what giannis will go for now
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If you think three unprotected firsts and a swap for Bane is a lot I can’t wait to hear your reaction when you find out it’s 4 unprotected firsts and a swap
Wait until you hear it's 4 unprotected, a swap, KCP and Cole Anthony
KCP is a negative.
Cole Anthony is whatever
1 of the picks is this year's #16 so that's why i only said 3 unprotected.
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I like it for both teams tbh. Two of those four picks likely wouldn't see much time on Orlando's roster. The others, if the core works, probably wouldn't either and they'll still have a pick in 3/5 years there. If the core doesn't work, you move one of the big four and get assets back. Desmond Bane is an awesome player and the East is wide open.
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The picks could have value. Especially if they land in the hands of a team who will have multiple bites at the apple some years. There's always risk when you give up draft capital.
Point is whether it's a good risk or not. Magic have a good team now and identified a player that can improve them now. Good fit on a good team and they didn't lose any players of value. If Suggs, for example, had been in the deal instead of Anthony they're likely only giving up one pick but that doesn't make it a better deal because the goal is to make the team a contender and they'd have lost Suggs.
I think it's a very good risk for the Magic. That said, it's definitely a high price.
Point is whether it's a good risk or not. Magic have a good team now and identified a player that can improve them now. Good fit on a good team and they didn't lose any players of value. If Suggs, for example, had been in the deal instead of Anthony they're likely only giving up one pick but that doesn't make it a better deal because the goal is to make the team a contender and they'd have lost Suggs.
I think it's a very good risk for the Magic. That said, it's definitely a high price.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Weltman playing 4D chess.YogurtProducer wrote:picc wrote:NBA fans will have you thinking every first round pick is 2008 Derrick Rose. Like what the hell is Orlando gonna do with 4 dudes drafted in the low 20s?
This isn't the MJ Bobcats trading first rounders. You mf'ers really out here curving Desmond Bane so you can draft Dalton Knecht.
Think.
Always a winning strategy to give out unprotected firsts for non all stars.
Orlando gonna cap themselves out and hinder their ability to trade picks for future upgrades.
Just an all around dumb trade.
Everyone always craps on him for not making moves, now they won't have any picks that are tradeable or space to sign guys. So no one will criticize him for the lack of moves bc none will be possible.
Didnt work out great for Denvers GM.
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It's a lot for Bane but I don't hate the deal given that the eastern conference is weak as hell and wide open.
Orlando has positioned itself as a top 4 team in the East next year with the chance to make a deep post-season run.
Orlando has positioned itself as a top 4 team in the East next year with the chance to make a deep post-season run.
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Rainwater wrote:styLesdavis wrote:Its quite funny to discredit the value of late first round picks while trading for someone who got picked at the end of the 1st round.
How many late first round picks do you think actually turn out to be as good as Banes? By your logic you might as well not trade any second-round draft picks because they can turn out to be Joker. Failure of this trade is dependent on numbers and chance, and I like the magic chances they will be fine.
Also, no offense intended to the Magic, but they're historically not that great at drafting. So those picks in their hands probably wouldn't turn into much. Memphis is good at drafting, and they may have a better shot at finding gems.
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Memphis should just finish off the full rebuild with Dallas…
Morant/JJJ for Flagg/Irving/Gafford/Future Picks
Morant/JJJ for Flagg/Irving/Gafford/Future Picks
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At least Booth signed Westbrook.Alatan wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Weltman playing 4D chess.YogurtProducer wrote:Always a winning strategy to give out unprotected firsts for non all stars.
Orlando gonna cap themselves out and hinder their ability to trade picks for future upgrades.
Just an all around dumb trade.
Everyone always craps on him for not making moves, now they won't have any picks that are tradeable or space to sign guys. So no one will criticize him for the lack of moves bc none will be possible.
Didnt work out great for Denvers GM.