ImmortalD24 wrote:Vince Carter not making a single All-NBA 1st reminds me just how stacked the early 00s was in wing play.
Well when you consider he was never a mvp level player… it isn’t surprising. Some people are just about highlights.
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ImmortalD24 wrote:Vince Carter not making a single All-NBA 1st reminds me just how stacked the early 00s was in wing play.
Effigy wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:So Tiny gets in because he played in the weak 70's but no Reggie Miller, Hal Greer, Melo (I'm good with that one), Butler, KJ, Blake, Ming, Deke, Gobert, Ben Wallace, Tony Parker, Paul Pierce, Billups, Cowens (who managed an MVP but not first team), Joe Dumars, Alex English, Sam Jones, Ray Allen, Vince Carter and many others.
Yeah I'm fine with an NBA hall but the first team all nba is massive bias to prior eras and leaves out top 10 type guys because of bs positional crap. So completely against that criteria.
That's good feedback. Though honestly, from your list, the only guys I look at and think they deserve to be in the Hall are Wallace, Butler and Cowens. That's crazy about Cowens winning an MVP and not getting first team though. I didn't know that. That one is easy enough to make a rule for, I almost did, but didn't think anyone would have won MVP and not a title. I'd draw the line at Finals MVP though. That's not enough. Don't need to be putting in Chauncy and Andre Iguadalla and Jalen Brown, etc. (I mean, maybe Brown eventually, but not yet)
Mirotic12 wrote:There's only 206 male players in the Basketball Hall of Fame, and many of those 206 players never played in the NBA (early pioneers, ABA players, college players, Harlem Globetrotters, international players).
A lot of people here complain about international players getting in, but the total amount of international male players in the hall is quite small, at 21. Just 21 international players for all of basketball history.
The amount of international players that never played in the NBA that are in the hall is very small, at just 6. Just 6 in all of basketball history, yet there are posts here all the time saying how any international player with just a good FIBA tournament or just a decent career in Europe "easily gets in." And how any solid player in Europe is basically a shoe in for the hall.
Such claims are complete nonsense. When just 6 such players from all of history are in, that's actually by far and away the group that they are the most strict on in terms of admittance. That's actually the least likely group of players to get in based on facts, and yet the forums talk about that being the most likely group of players to get in.
And with a total of just 14 international male players that played in the NBA being in the hall, that also does not match the claims in these forums. You would expect there to be like over 100 international NBA players in the hall, based on posts in these forums. There are only 14. Just 14 international NBA players. That's it.
This is out of how many hundreds of thousands of players from around the world over the years.
The way this forum talks, you would expect the number of male players in the hall to be like over 10,000.
This is a non issue. The hall is actually incredibly strict, with an incredibly small number of players getting in. There's like 5,000 pro male players in the world at any given time. And look how few are actually in the hall. Even with some guys being in the hall that just played in college, or in old amateur leagues.
And they are not letting in a bunch of NBA players willy nilly, despite what the forums seem to think. It's less than 200 NBA players in the hall, for a league that is almost 80 years old. There have supposedly been around 5,000 NBA players and less than 200 of them are in the hall. Just 14 of them being international players, the group of players that supposedly are "let in so easily".
None of the regular talking points in these forums about the basketball hall of fame are accurate, when they are held up to even the slightest amount of scrutiny.
scrabbarista wrote:I could be wrong, but I think 21 minus 6 is 15, not 14.
ImmortalD24 wrote:Vince Carter not making a single All-NBA 1st reminds me just how stacked the early 00s was in wing play.