NZB2323 wrote:og15 wrote:I'm just going to add that I think the narrative on Pippen based on the discussion (and others) can be super interesting.
For example, in an era comparison discussion talking about how good players were (or were not) in the 90's, Pippen would be mentioned in a certain way, generally positions a guy who would dominate in the modern day in both ends.
Then in contrast, if we have a discussion about how good Jordan's teammates were or were not, some of the same people (not all) can almost flip the narrative on Pippen and he's not that good of a second option, etc, etc.
It's also interesting to look at the narrative of his basketball opinions, because Pippen has said some contrasting things. In one scenario, Pippen is an authority and who would no better than a former player who played at the time, but then at other times, well he's jealous of Jordan, salty about this or that thing, etc, and what he's saying is not relevant.
Just find it interesting how based on the conclusion he kind of goes up and down on the narrative about him and/or his opinions.
Not sure if you’re talking about me or not, but saying that Pippen only played in 44 games in 98 and had a back injury in game 6 doesn’t contradict other things that I’ve said that have been positive about Pippen in other threads.
I don’t know if I’ve seen anyone say that Pippen would dominate in this era, but he was the original point forward, and was athletic, could pass, rebound, defend, and score, but at the same time wasn’t the best 3-point shooter, wasn’t the best shot creator, and wasn’t the more efficient scorer and wasn’t a true #1 scorer.
I think Paul George is the closest modern day comparison. Pippen is a better defender, rebounder, and passer. Paul George is a better 3 point shooter, better at clumping scoring, and is a more efficient scorer.
I'm not talking about anyone specifically, and I don't think you made any comments that contributed to my thoughts. I'm just saying that I've seen Pippen go from he would be top 5 in today's game in one discussion about 90's talent level to he's very good, but not that great in another discussion about Jordan's help by some seemingly similar people. And I get it, if we start with the end conclusion in mind, which we can all sometimes do, though some a lot more than others, then you get pushed into fitting the narrative into that conclusion.
I don't disagree at all that Pippen has had his poor moments and he has his flaws though, and what you mentioned about Pippen in 98 is in no way the type of thing I'm talking about, that's just reality.