Achilles injuries being caused by the negative step?

[Lala870]

It's a pretty terrible argument when the players you reference did exactly what you claimed they didn't. Up next should I mention how I missed guys doing layups instead of dunking like Jordan did?

When was load management introduced and star players wound up missing a majority of the season on the daily?

When was the last time a "star player" tore their ACL in a game 7 in the NBA finals?

People name drop past players who had injuries at pretty irrelevant times in their careers or it happened rarely. Yup grant hill was injured but he literally made his legacy off of potential.

There haven't been enough game 7's in the finals to even have a sample size. Like what kind of trash argument is that? Stoudemire literally missed his 4th year in the league coming off a season where he averaged 26 a game and was 9th in MVP voting and second team all nba.

Nash was kept to low minute counts through much of his time on the Suns because of his chronic back issues. Even in his MVP years he never cracked the top 50 in minutes per game. He was at 34.3 minutes a game when he won his first MVP.

Again I'm just talking about the two players YOU brought up...

Load management as a whole and a majority of the star players in the league sitting games out today and going out with non-contact injuries is a much different issue than Amares back problems. Plus we all know PHX was not the league favorite (and still are not) to this day. I was never a fan of Amare either on or off the court.

The issue today would be like Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Chauncey Billups playing like 50-60% of their games and constantly suffering non-contact injuries.

[dhsilv2]

When was load management introduced and star players wound up missing a majority of the season on the daily?

When was the last time a "star player" tore their ACL in a game 7 in the NBA finals?

People name drop past players who had injuries at pretty irrelevant times in their careers or it happened rarely. Yup grant hill was injured but he literally made his legacy off of potential.

There haven't been enough game 7's in the finals to even have a sample size. Like what kind of trash argument is that? Stoudemire literally missed his 4th year in the league coming off a season where he averaged 26 a game and was 9th in MVP voting and second team all nba.

Nash was kept to low minute counts through much of his time on the Suns because of his chronic back issues. Even in his MVP years he never cracked the top 50 in minutes per game. He was at 34.3 minutes a game when he won his first MVP.

Again I'm just talking about the two players YOU brought up...

Load management as a whole and a majority of the star players in the league sitting games out today and going out with non-contact injuries is a much different issue than Amares back problems. Plus we all know PHX was not the league favorite (and still are not) to this day. I was never a fan of Amare either on or off the court.

The issue today would be like Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Chauncey Billups playing like 50-60% of their games and constantly suffering non-contact injuries.

And now you've flipped nash and amare again. Dude...you good?

[Lala870]

There haven't been enough game 7's in the finals to even have a sample size. Like what kind of trash argument is that? Stoudemire literally missed his 4th year in the league coming off a season where he averaged 26 a game and was 9th in MVP voting and second team all nba.

Nash was kept to low minute counts through much of his time on the Suns because of his chronic back issues. Even in his MVP years he never cracked the top 50 in minutes per game. He was at 34.3 minutes a game when he won his first MVP.

Again I'm just talking about the two players YOU brought up...

Load management as a whole and a majority of the star players in the league sitting games out today and going out with non-contact injuries is a much different issue than Amares back problems. Plus we all know PHX was not the league favorite (and still are not) to this day. I was never a fan of Amare either on or off the court.

The issue today would be like Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Chauncey Billups playing like 50-60% of their games and constantly suffering non-contact injuries.

And now you've flipped nash and amare again. Dude...you good?

Im fine lol. On the flip you seem to be the one getting stuck on trivial stuff

[dhsilv2]

Load management as a whole and a majority of the star players in the league sitting games out today and going out with non-contact injuries is a much different issue than Amares back problems. Plus we all know PHX was not the league favorite (and still are not) to this day. I was never a fan of Amare either on or off the court.

The issue today would be like Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Chauncey Billups playing like 50-60% of their games and constantly suffering non-contact injuries.

And now you've flipped nash and amare again. Dude...you good?

Im fine lol. On the flip you seem to be the one getting stuck on trivial stuff

How can you even talk about the differences between eras if you don't remember anything about the past era? That's before I even have to deal with all your crazy exaggerations. But yes, as the league has spread the floor with 3 point shooting and has made the game more physically demanding on player's joints and ligaments, doctors have pushed to reduce the load on players increasingly. Not sure what more needs to be said about that.

[Lala870]

And now you've flipped nash and amare again. Dude...you good?

Im fine lol. On the flip you seem to be the one getting stuck on trivial stuff

How can you even talk about the differences between eras if you don't remember anything about the past era? That's before I even have to deal with all your crazy exaggerations. But yes, as the league has spread the floor with 3 point shooting and has made the game more physically demanding on player's joints and ligaments, doctors have pushed to reduce the load on players increasingly. Not sure what more needs to be said about that.

Not much to say about the past eras other than if it was today antics happening back then...

KG would be out for a majority of the season, Billups non contact ACL before he even got traded to Denver, Kobe resting for the last 2 months, list goes on

Defense has never been worse in the league. Golden state had the least physically demanding title runs in history running through countless moving screens. Plus is pulling up damn near half court shooting 3's making anything more physically demanding? Most players half azz contest those shots anyway You could have pulled Larry Bird out of retirement during those warrior runs and he would have put up 30 walking behind andrew bogut playing as a lineman

The NBA wants a finesse, soft game largely because i think eventually they want the wNBA to be a more competitive product

[dhsilv2]

Im fine lol. On the flip you seem to be the one getting stuck on trivial stuff

How can you even talk about the differences between eras if you don't remember anything about the past era? That's before I even have to deal with all your crazy exaggerations. But yes, as the league has spread the floor with 3 point shooting and has made the game more physically demanding on player's joints and ligaments, doctors have pushed to reduce the load on players increasingly. Not sure what more needs to be said about that.

Not much to say about the past eras other than if it was today antics happening back then...

KG would be out for a majority of the season, Billups non contact ACL before he even got traded to Denver, Kobe resting for the last 2 months, list goes on

Defense has never been worse in the league. Golden state had the least physically demanding title runs in history running through countless moving screens. Plus is pulling up damn near half court shooting 3's making anything more physically demanding? Most players half azz contest those shots anyway You could have pulled Larry Bird out of retirement during those warrior runs and he would have put up 30 walking behind andrew bogut playing as a lineman

The NBA wants a finesse, soft game largely because i think eventually they want the wNBA to be a more competitive product

The league is the most physically demanding it's ever been. We may have just seen the most physical finals ever.

[lambchop]

Can someone explain what a negative step is?

Step backwards, point your toes upward, then push down on your heel to try to get leverage going forward anyway.

When Tatum & Dame did it they were going for a loose ball that surprisingly entered their area. They lost focus, maybe were tired, drifted backwards, but then still wanted to grab the loose ball for their teams.

Whereas this was part a move Haliburton often does, when he dribbles back to pull in the defender, then drives passed him. Only his mechanics were worse than normal. The calf strain may come into play that putting force on your toes (as is proper) in turn places more on the calf.

Wow, they are actually teaching this. That’s madness, you’re basically doing the opposite of what your foot is designed to do.

No one is teaching anyone to "push off their heal". They're teaching guys to take a step back to be able to generate more force when attacking a closeout. Of course, the force is generated via the big toe and front of the foot.

Anyway, this "negative step" is a basic human movement. Look at James Wiseman "perform" this movement after shooting a three. No one taught him to move that way. He simply instinctively stepped back in order to be able to propel himself forward for a rebound and then his achilles snapped.

There is some other underlying issue here.

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Or look at how Brandon Jennings tore his. The attacking player pushes Jennings, therefore, Jennings takes a step back to catch his weight. Once again, it's a standard human movement, but somehow his achilles can't handle the pressure and snaps. The myth that some trainer told him to explode off his heal needs to die quickly.

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Same thing with Chris Clemons

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These are all standard human movement patterns. The issue isn't the step, it's some other issue that is being created as a result of?? overtraining, repetition, shoes, lack of focus on movement quality etc. I don't know what it is. That's for the experts to find out. But this basic human movement has always been there. So it's time to find out why people can't perform it safely anymore.

By the way, this season I witnessed two achilles tears while playing, whereas I had only witnessed a single one before that ever and that was in 2013.

[mattg]

There's a lot of factors, it's not just one cause. The negative step leg position with max force exerted will 100% lead to tears at times, just look at where all the pressure is being put on the tendon,

Also, young players now play soooooo many games that unless you're involved with youth basketball, you just wouldn't understand the scale of. Kids who play on their school district's youth team starting in like 2nd/3rd grade are playing a solid 35-50 game schedule during typical basketball season. Then separately there's the spring and summer aau sessions for another 30-40 games. Add in 8-10 summer league games. That's not factoring in any rec leagues, church leagues, pick up games, fall ball which some areas do, camps, or obviously non game work like skill training. A lot of kids now are entering college with 1000+ games of organized basketball played on top of intensive skill training and athletic training. It's a lot more mileage that guys come in with.

A lot of the modern Achilles injuries seem to be that big explosive movement on a tendon that already is weakened with micro tears due to strain or excessive use.

[LakersLegacy]

Here is Kobe talking about overusing the negative step

https://www.tiktok.com/@kobehighlight/video/7206372064142445867?lang=en

That position causes injury risk