SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m

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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#21 » by Iwasawitness » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:19 pm

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KazuoOda wrote:3 and D guard for 9 million.

Goodbye to Ty Jerome though


3 & no d guard you mean. This guy gets hunted on defense almost every team that plays the cavs. If his 3 isn't falling he is unplayable


I would suggest watching more Cavaliers games then. While I admit I myself was surprised by how good he was defensively, he's always been pretty good at that end.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#22 » by JonFromVA » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:24 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:
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The 2nd apron doesn't prohibit resigning your own players.


I understand but paying the penalties for the 2nd apron is what causes non championship teams to not stay there...


Looks like Cleveland is keeping their championship contender together through the penalties :)


Right, it's teams not being willing to keep paying the penalties that breaks up teams; and if you're going to let players go because of the tax penalty (say Ty Jerome) you'd better have some viable options in the pipeline (Ball, Porter Jr, Green, Proctor) or you could be in for a world of hurt.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#23 » by JonFromVA » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:24 pm

Iwasawitness wrote:
3ddman23 wrote:
KazuoOda wrote:3 and D guard for 9 million.

Goodbye to Ty Jerome though


3 & no d guard you mean. This guy gets hunted on defense almost every team that plays the cavs. If his 3 isn't falling he is unplayable


I would suggest watching more Cavaliers games then. While I admit I myself was surprised by how good he was defensively, he's always been pretty good at that end.


Sam is improving on D, but yeah, I wouldn't call him a 3&D.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#24 » by KazuoOda » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:33 pm

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KazuoOda wrote:3 guard for 9 million.


Fixed.


Correct. 3 and D is thrown around too often. A player has to do both and Sam can't play defense in this league.


Anyone saying Sam cant play D didnt actually watch Sam last year. He's a better defender than he is a 3 point shooter.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#25 » by Iwasawitness » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:33 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
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3ddman23 wrote:
3 & no d guard you mean. This guy gets hunted on defense almost every team that plays the cavs. If his 3 isn't falling he is unplayable


I would suggest watching more Cavaliers games then. While I admit I myself was surprised by how good he was defensively, he's always been pretty good at that end.


Sam is improving on D, but yeah, I wouldn't call him a 3&D.


I mean... he's not on Okoros level or anything but he's still pretty good at that end.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#26 » by Iwasawitness » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:33 pm

KazuoOda wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Fixed.


Correct. 3 and D is thrown around too often. A player has to do both and Sam can't play defense in this league.


Anyone saying Sam cant play D didnt actually watch Sam last year. He's a better defender than he is a 3 point shooter.


Okay that's an exaggeration.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#27 » by Iwasawitness » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:34 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:How are the Cavs affording all this? I assume their starting lineup this season would put them in the 2nd apron alone lol.


The 2nd apron doesn't prohibit resigning your own players.


I understand but paying the penalties for the 2nd apron is what causes non championship teams to not stay there...


Dan Gilbert doesn't care about the money. He's willing to spend if he thinks there's a chance they'll win.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill Intends To Sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#28 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:44 pm

KazuoOda wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Fixed.


Correct. 3 and D is thrown around too often. A player has to do both and Sam can't play defense in this league.


Anyone saying Sam cant play D didnt actually watch Sam last year. He's a better defender than he is a 3 point shooter.
And he's not a very good defender, yikes. Guy was getting hunted in the playoffs.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#30 » by AFM » Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:54 pm

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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#31 » by John Murdoch » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:04 am

Ehh..i like Meril but feels replaceable with a vetmin guy ..hell Gary Trent got the min
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#32 » by littlerock2277 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:05 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:Darius Garland / Lonzo Ball
Donovan Mitchell / Sam Merrill / Jaylon Tyson
DeAndre Hunter / Max Strus
Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Chuma Okeke
Jarrett Allen

They should bring back Jerome and then add a backup center.
This is their actual depth chart.

Garland/Ball/Porter Jr
Mitchell/Merrill/Proctor
Strus/Hunter/Tyson
Mobley/Wade/Okeke
Allen

We always leave spot 15 open too, so I'd say the Cavs off-season is pretty much done.

Tristan Kardashian was signed to spot 14 in September the last 2 years, so maybe they do that again or circumvent the CBA and just roll into the season with 2 open roster spots and look to fill spot 14 two weeks into the season.


Was wondering what the cavs PG rotation was going to look like with garland out for a bit. Is that Kevin porter jr you mentioned in that depth chart?
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#33 » by bkkrh » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:24 am

First I read 4 years $138m, but even without the 1 it looks like a massive overpay.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#34 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:35 am

I forgot those types of contracts can exist in the NBA.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#35 » by doogie_hauser » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:44 am

Cavs better off keeping Jerome than Merrill IMHO
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#36 » by mcfly1204 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:47 am

littlerock2277 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:Darius Garland / Lonzo Ball
Donovan Mitchell / Sam Merrill / Jaylon Tyson
DeAndre Hunter / Max Strus
Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Chuma Okeke
Jarrett Allen

They should bring back Jerome and then add a backup center.
This is their actual depth chart.

Garland/Ball/Porter Jr
Mitchell/Merrill/Proctor
Strus/Hunter/Tyson
Mobley/Wade/Okeke
Allen

We always leave spot 15 open too, so I'd say the Cavs off-season is pretty much done.

Tristan Kardashian was signed to spot 14 in September the last 2 years, so maybe they do that again or circumvent the CBA and just roll into the season with 2 open roster spots and look to fill spot 14 two weeks into the season.


Was wondering what the cavs PG rotation was going to look like with garland out for a bit. Is that Kevin porter jr you mentioned in that depth chart?

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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#37 » by mcfly1204 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:48 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Cavs better off keeping Jerome than Merrill IMHO

Why's that? Maybe Jerome's poor performance against Indiana was a fluke, but he sure looked to be exposed as someone who is not quick enough to break down a defense on his own, and someone who will always needs screens and whatnot to be effective.
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Re: SHAMS: Sam Merrill intends to sign for 4-yrs $38m 

Post#38 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 29, 2025 1:03 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Cavs better off keeping Jerome than Merrill IMHO
We'll see what Jerome signs for on Monday, the AAV may end up being more than what Merrill just got.

But yeah, not a huge fan of the length of the deal.

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