Can someone explain Ace Bailey to me?

[UcanUwill]

Not a big fan of the kids game. But I don’t know if I’d call him a punk from what I’ve seen. It’s just clear he’s gotten some bad advice.

In general, im not against players using whatever leverage they have in a business context. Just have to understand exactly what you’re doing and be ready to accept the consequences. To me, this all stems from a lack a confidence in his talent.


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I do not think punk is that much of an insult. Lamelo Ball is a punk, and I mean his style is punk, hair and all. I just mean, not really a fan of this kid as a prospect, and his reported behavior ain't helping. I understand him tho, cause to me as Euro, American sports system is pretty insane, how you can't even decide for which team you will play, how can you be traded to any team etc. But I mean, that is why NBA players are paid so much more than anyone else, even players who are probably worse than some non NBA players, are paid more than said non NBA players. For exmaple Alex Len is paid more than Mathias Lessort, so you just have to take all the other negatives that comes with the job, Aces rookie contract will be like what, 9 Mill a year or something, kid is years away from being worth that most likely, but they are investing in him, and if you entered the draft, you should understand that you can be drafted by anyone, thats just how it is. I didn't mind him force his way to certain teams pre draft, there is nothign wrong with that, but you didn't work, need to start act like grown up, at worst show up like a man and discuss things, maybe they could trade you after all, just don't act entitled. With all that said, newest reports say that he is showing to camp, so maybe all this was just false reporting, he was obviously upset at the draft, so maybe few reporters fabricated the story to get clicks, I don't know.

[JonFromVA]

Not a big fan of the kids game. But I don’t know if I’d call him a punk from what I’ve seen. It’s just clear he’s gotten some bad advice.

In general, im not against players using whatever leverage they have in a business context. Just have to understand exactly what you’re doing and be ready to accept the consequences. To me, this all stems from a lack a confidence in his talent.


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I do not think punk is that much of an insult. Lamelo Ball is a punk, and I mean his style is punk, hair and all. I just mean, not really a fan of this kid as a prospect, and his reported behavior ain't helping. I understand him tho, cause to me as Euro, American sports system is pretty insane, how you can't even decide for which team you will play, how can you be traded to any team etc. But I mean, that is why NBA players are paid so much more than anyone else, even players who are probably worse than some non NBA players, are paid more than said non NBA players. For exmaple Alex Len is paid more than Mathias Lessort, so you just have to take all the other negatives that comes with the job, Aces rookie contract will be like what, 9 Mill a year or something, kid is years away from being worth that most likely, but they are investing in him, and if you entered the draft, you should understand that you can be drafted by anyone, thats just how it is. I didn't mind him force his way to certain teams pre draft, there is nothign wrong with that, but you didn't work, need to start act like grown up, at worst show up like a man and discuss things, maybe they could trade you after all, just don't act entitled. With all that said, newest reports say that he is showing to camp, so maybe all this was just false reporting, he was obviously upset at the draft, so maybe few reporters fabricated the story to get clicks, I don't know.

There's millions of dollars at stake one way or another, so no, players don't just have to accept anything but they do need to manage their image and manipulations intelligently.

I think foreign born players often think more along the lines you are, that they're happy to have hit the big time and to be paid the big bucks in whatever city cares to pay them.

The draft does play a part in the success of the NBA because it increases interest in new players and spreads talent around and Ace is going to earn at least what $20M or so in Utah as long as he reports and lasts a couple of seasons? That's pretty compelling to most people to show up and be a good soldier, but in the right situation with a team ready to prop him up and treat him as their franchise player he could earn 100's of millions and never even need to be all that impactful.

[UcanUwill]

There's millions of dollars at stake one way or another, so no, players don't just have to accept anything but they do need to manage their image and manipulations intelligently.

I think foreign born players often think more along the lines you are, that they're happy to have hit the big time and to be paid the big bucks in whatever city cares to pay them.

The draft does play a part in the success of the NBA because it increases interest in new players and spreads talent around and Ace is going to earn at least what $20M or so in Utah as long as he reports and lasts a couple of seasons? That's pretty compelling to most people to show up and be a good soldier, but in the right situation with a team ready to prop him up and treat him as their franchise player he could earn 100's of millions and never even need to be all that impactful.

I think Euro players are more open to the idea to play anywhere because, one, they are probably from far smaller cities towns, as Europe do not have many enormous cities, and two, they are less familiar with American domestic culture, they do not really care which city is perceived glamourous by American youth, to me, I bet Salt lake would look like insane metropolis. And also, I am payed super well and I live in America, what is not to like, none of these NBA franchises are set on like Hillbilly island, all these cities to us Euros would look amazing. Of course if you are from Athens or Rome or Milan or Paris, maybe all these cities would look trashy to you, but to most of us, it would be great.

And I think most humans are the same, I think most Americans are the same way, they can find comfort without living in LA or NY and being a bigshot. These guys who force their way to these big markets are still a minority. In Bailey's case, a lot of people said he wanted to go to Brooklyn or Washington for Basketball reasons, but not like he will be buried on UTAH JAZZ bench, that situation seems ideal. I get him not wanting to go to 76ers, but Utah if anything seems great if you want minutes and shots and development time.

[Pharmcat]

Not a big fan of the kids game. But I don’t know if I’d call him a punk from what I’ve seen. It’s just clear he’s gotten some bad advice.

In general, im not against players using whatever leverage they have in a business context. Just have to understand exactly what you’re doing and be ready to accept the consequences. To me, this all stems from a lack a confidence in his talent.


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I do not think punk is that much of an insult. Lamelo Ball is a punk, and I mean his style is punk, hair and all. I just mean, not really a fan of this kid as a prospect, and his reported behavior ain't helping. I understand him tho, cause to me as Euro, American sports system is pretty insane, how you can't even decide for which team you will play, how can you be traded to any team etc. But I mean, that is why NBA players are paid so much more than anyone else, even players who are probably worse than some non NBA players, are paid more than said non NBA players. For exmaple Alex Len is paid more than Mathias Lessort, so you just have to take all the other negatives that comes with the job, Aces rookie contract will be like what, 9 Mill a year or something, kid is years away from being worth that most likely, but they are investing in him, and if you entered the draft, you should understand that you can be drafted by anyone, thats just how it is. I didn't mind him force his way to certain teams pre draft, there is nothign wrong with that, but you didn't work, need to start act like grown up, at worst show up like a man and discuss things, maybe they could trade you after all, just don't act entitled. With all that said, newest reports say that he is showing to camp, so maybe all this was just false reporting, he was obviously upset at the draft, so maybe few reporters fabricated the story to get clicks, I don't know.

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

[UcanUwill]

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

Man, you can't say anything without it being racist now. Like how Pat Rilley called LeBron's entourage possies, and somehow Lebron spun that into racism. There is nothing racist about word punk, its not even an insult, but it is term often used to describe person you don't like, and I don't like this kid, so I used it.

[itrsteve]

I suppose a rookie villain isn't a bad thing.

I place the majority of the blame on his agent who is clearly a dumbass.

Did the agent force him to bomb his interviews and pout on stage at the draft?

He's 18, think about how much dumb crap any of us did at 18. Any agent worth his salt would have been the adult in the room and guided him in the correct direction.

[zero rings]

I suppose a rookie villain isn't a bad thing.

I place the majority of the blame on his agent who is clearly a dumbass.

Did the agent force him to bomb his interviews and pout on stage at the draft?

He's 18, think about how much dumb crap any of us did at 18. Any agent worth his salt would have been the adult in the room and guided him in the correct direction.

His agent is a clown, but Ace Bailey chose this guy to represent him. He could have easily had a real agent if he wanted.

As for his age, all the other 18/19 year old kids managed to workout for teams and be gracious at the draft. It's not an excuse.

[itrsteve]

Did the agent force him to bomb his interviews and pout on stage at the draft?

He's 18, think about how much dumb crap any of us did at 18. Any agent worth his salt would have been the adult in the room and guided him in the correct direction.

His agent is a clown, but Ace Bailey chose this guy to represent him. He could have easily had a real agent if he wanted.

As for his age, all the other 18/19 year old kids managed to workout for teams and be gracious at the draft. It's not an excuse.

Then his agent is going to have a very short career in that business. Ace is already off to a bad PR start and hasn't even touched the court yet.

I get that he's probably sweating for a payday given his underwhelming client list, but he's not exactly making a name for himself.

[DoItALL9]

Sounds like a Rudy Gay or Brandon Ingram player to me

[Catchall]

Welp, he showed up.

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[JellosJigglin]

Not a big fan of the kids game. But I don’t know if I’d call him a punk from what I’ve seen. It’s just clear he’s gotten some bad advice.

In general, im not against players using whatever leverage they have in a business context. Just have to understand exactly what you’re doing and be ready to accept the consequences. To me, this all stems from a lack a confidence in his talent.


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I do not think punk is that much of an insult. Lamelo Ball is a punk, and I mean his style is punk, hair and all. I just mean, not really a fan of this kid as a prospect, and his reported behavior ain't helping. I understand him tho, cause to me as Euro, American sports system is pretty insane, how you can't even decide for which team you will play, how can you be traded to any team etc. But I mean, that is why NBA players are paid so much more than anyone else, even players who are probably worse than some non NBA players, are paid more than said non NBA players. For exmaple Alex Len is paid more than Mathias Lessort, so you just have to take all the other negatives that comes with the job, Aces rookie contract will be like what, 9 Mill a year or something, kid is years away from being worth that most likely, but they are investing in him, and if you entered the draft, you should understand that you can be drafted by anyone, thats just how it is. I didn't mind him force his way to certain teams pre draft, there is nothign wrong with that, but you didn't work, need to start act like grown up, at worst show up like a man and discuss things, maybe they could trade you after all, just don't act entitled. With all that said, newest reports say that he is showing to camp, so maybe all this was just false reporting, he was obviously upset at the draft, so maybe few reporters fabricated the story to get clicks, I don't know.

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

Been a charger fan since 99. We absolutely did. Eli took a lot of heat for that at the time.

[Shaka_Zulu]

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

Man, you can't say anything without it being racist now. Like how Pat Rilley called LeBron's entourage possies, and somehow Lebron spun that into racism. There is nothing racist about word punk, its not even an insult, but it is term often used to describe person you don't like, and I don't like this kid, so I used it.

Two things.


1. There are several words who are racially charged and slyly used more often then we realize. Punk is not one of them.


2. Main ssue was not Pat Riley who said posse (he did, but it wasn't an issue for them, plus said it privately to Spo). But when Phil Jackson repeated it (as a Knicks exec), and said it in more charged and demeaning way in an interview, is when he got in hot water over it.

It was a combination of clash of cultures of old to new school way of doing things. And the way you can use coded languages, in what context and from who. It came off ass dismissive of an athlete and all his bussiness associates as juvenile little rag tag group.

[Nate505]

Welp, he showed up.

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He clearly looks miserable. Or so Brian Windhorst tells me, and I trust him more than my own lying eyes.

[Nate505]

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

Just because you don't recall it doesn't make it true:

https://vault.si.com/vault/2004/05/03/what-a-manning-wants-in-the-first-test-of-his-nfl-career-quarterback-eli-manning-bucked-the-draft-and-came-out-on-top

Eli later said the abuse hadn't bothered him, but it clearly upset others in a family long known for its class and affability. Archie had been upset with the criticism of his son from the outset of the controversy, and the depth of the animosity toward Eli baffled him. "I heard one person say Eli was a punk," Archie said. "Well, he's not a punk. We're nice people, and we tried to do the best we could in a tough situation."

But yeah, of course, everything is racial.

[Sixers in 4]

Eli is much different. He was the top prospect of the draft.

Ace Bailey was not infact there is a decent chance even before the stunt he pulled this was going to be where he was going to be picked 5th anyways.

[PaulKellerman]

Sounds like a Rudy Gay or Brandon Ingram player to me

Fits the prototypical wing archetype without the IQ/feel. Rudy Gay was the epitome of such a player. Darius Miles was too, injury aside

[jkvonny]

Not a big fan of the kids game. But I don’t know if I’d call him a punk from what I’ve seen. It’s just clear he’s gotten some bad advice.

In general, im not against players using whatever leverage they have in a business context. Just have to understand exactly what you’re doing and be ready to accept the consequences. To me, this all stems from a lack a confidence in his talent.


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I do not think punk is that much of an insult. Lamelo Ball is a punk, and I mean his style is punk, hair and all. I just mean, not really a fan of this kid as a prospect, and his reported behavior ain't helping. I understand him tho, cause to me as Euro, American sports system is pretty insane, how you can't even decide for which team you will play, how can you be traded to any team etc. But I mean, that is why NBA players are paid so much more than anyone else, even players who are probably worse than some non NBA players, are paid more than said non NBA players. For exmaple Alex Len is paid more than Mathias Lessort, so you just have to take all the other negatives that comes with the job, Aces rookie contract will be like what, 9 Mill a year or something, kid is years away from being worth that most likely, but they are investing in him, and if you entered the draft, you should understand that you can be drafted by anyone, thats just how it is. I didn't mind him force his way to certain teams pre draft, there is nothign wrong with that, but you didn't work, need to start act like grown up, at worst show up like a man and discuss things, maybe they could trade you after all, just don't act entitled. With all that said, newest reports say that he is showing to camp, so maybe all this was just false reporting, he was obviously upset at the draft, so maybe few reporters fabricated the story to get clicks, I don't know.

there are so many racial undertones by calling Ace a punk. I dont recall people calling Eli a punk when he didnt want to play for SD.

Lol.
I remember sports radio jockeys saying Eli "the Punk " Manning back then for years. Especially Big Ben Maller (he's from Southern California...... San Diego/LA Chargers land)