Any chance the NBA removes "No trade clause from the sport?"

[TheNG]

I actually think all players should have NTC.
They are employess, not some cattle.

[Devilanche]

Don’t remove.

What problem are we trying to fix again?

Saving stupid

[JShuttlesworth]

NTC's / NMC's are common in the NHL and they work well. That's not what the problem is in the NBA

[King4Day]

So few players get one that I don't see it being an issue. We'd need to see more Beal situations across the league where trades are held up by it to even give it a thought IMO.
Wizards made an error giving it to him. Suns made a bigger error not requiring him to waive it before accepting the deal.

[UcanUwill]

To me as European, it is crazy that a team could trade you to whatever, without your permission, to me the team power here is crazy, not NTC, American sports are insane. But anyhow, NTC are very rare and only very incompetent GMs can negotiate that these days, so to me it is not existent problem, if your team dumb enough to give NTC to Beal, you should live with it.

I still remember how flabbergasted I was when I first learned that almost everyone in US sports can be traded without their permission - it was shortly after I first started following English language news and discussions about the NBA and a blockbuster trade for Jason Kidd was stopped due to Devean George's no trade clause. Everyone was saying "How does this scrub has a no trade clause" and I was like "Wait, most players can be traded without their consent, that's messed up".

Yeah, American sports is just different, but players get paid and they know what they sign for. For me, the worst thing about American sports is the loterry and the fact losing is rewarded. Try explaining to European fan that you cheer for your team to LOSE, cause its actually benefitial. League will be fundamentaly broken for as long as they reward losing in any way. Sports shouldn't be kindergarden where the more "special" you are, the bigger prize you win, you should only be punished for losing and that shoukd go without saying.

[wadenation305]

@OP all players in European professional sports have a NTC. All trades are done like this: 1. the clubs agree on a transfer, 2. the player decides whether he wants to sign a contract with the "new club".

Contracts aren't "carried over", the existing one becomes void when/if you sign a new one.

In the United States, fans and corporate entities (in this case, the team) view players as corporate property, which has the negative side effect of making them sentient and having wants. Players are just shiny toys. Everyone says "boo hoo you get paid millions, suck it up". It shouldn't matter what you get paid. No one should have the power to control your future. The way the CBA is set up hides the money of the top players in the controlling team's hands, effectively killing free agency for any top player, as the only way he can get close to his value is by giving total power over their future to the team.

Imagine being a top talent and being unfortunate enough to get drafted by a team like the Charlotte, Trailblazers, or Wizards. You are effectively screwed. You know their FOs are useless and will never do things right to get the best talent around you. They are going to waste your career. And if you want to leave? Good luck. They are going to trade you wherever they want while trying to gut that team of any assets to be able to surround you with a squad. I might be in the minority. But I believe teams have way too much power over the players.

[thebigbird]

This thread is just another thinly disguised anti-LeBron thread from a lakers “fan.”

[dhsilv2]

I know players know they can be traded and they sign on that, but when you think about it, it is still crazy tho.

Wait until you find out that they do it in corporate America as well. Sometimes if you say no, you might lose your job.

Well, I think that can happen anywhere. But in Europe, famous pro athletes have far more power, you can probably push some powerless guy around, but imagine telling MBappe that hes been trade to Sampdoria, thats just comically unrealistic, but in NBA it happens, Luka was traded against his wishes, he just got a call that he plays for a team thousand miles away and thats it.

Yeah but you guys have wild stuff like relegation where you might not even get to play in the league you started in...it's a whole complete other world.

[Wargreymon]

Thread title should be “Any chance the NBA removes Bradley Beal from the sport?”

[UcanUwill]

Wait until you find out that they do it in corporate America as well. Sometimes if you say no, you might lose your job.

Well, I think that can happen anywhere. But in Europe, famous pro athletes have far more power, you can probably push some powerless guy around, but imagine telling MBappe that hes been trade to Sampdoria, thats just comically unrealistic, but in NBA it happens, Luka was traded against his wishes, he just got a call that he plays for a team thousand miles away and thats it.

Yeah but you guys have wild stuff like relegation where you might not even get to play in the league you started in...it's a whole complete other world.

Relegation sucks for teams, but better players have out clauses and they rarely go down with the team. But you can also get promoted to stronger league, with contract bonuses and stuff like tgat, its fun, winning is rewarded, losing js greatly punished.

That said, relegation and promotion indicates stability in structure, far from many European sports and leagues have it. There is far less money in many European sports and some teams decline promotion even when they have a chance.

Its because there are so many more teams and levels in Europe. There are very few pro basketball leagues in all America, not many teams, all the recourses are put into one thing, where in Europe, they try so every province would have local teams. London alone probably has more Football teams than there are teams in all America. And I am not saying European model is better, but it is just different, very few teams ever win league titles yes, but almost every town has its own team. Where in America, some states would have only one team, and American states can be bigger than entite European nations. So yes, Utah Jazz is a team that can actually win NBA, but if this was Europe, Utah alone would have 10 basketball teams, and 9 would never have a shot at a title maybe, but those would be your local teams, where now, only Salt lake City in Utah actually has a team, if you anywhere else in Utah, I guess you support the Jazz cause it is closest thing you got, and its fine, but there is romance in having your local town team and knowing that technically, they are in the same system as the biggest teams in the continent.

[dhsilv2]

Well, I think that can happen anywhere. But in Europe, famous pro athletes have far more power, you can probably push some powerless guy around, but imagine telling MBappe that hes been trade to Sampdoria, thats just comically unrealistic, but in NBA it happens, Luka was traded against his wishes, he just got a call that he plays for a team thousand miles away and thats it.

Yeah but you guys have wild stuff like relegation where you might not even get to play in the league you started in...it's a whole complete other world.

Relegation sucks for teams, but better players have out clauses and they rarely go down with the team. But you can also get promoted to stronger league, with contract bonuses and stuff like tgat, its fun, winning is rewarded, losing js greatly punished.

That said, relegation and promotion indicates stability in structure, far from many European sports and leagues have it. There is far less money in many European sports and some teams decline promotion even when they have a chance.

Its because there are so many more teams and levels in Europe. There are very few pro basketball leagues in all America, not many teams, all the recourses are put into one thing, where in Europe, they try so every province would have local teams. London alone probably has more Football teams than there are teams in all America. And I am not saying European model is better, but it is just different, very few teams ever win league titles yes, but almost every town has its own team. Where in America, some states would have only one team, and American states can be bigger than entite European nations. So yes, Utah Jazz is a team that can actually win NBA, but if this was Europe, Utah alone would have 10 basketball teams, and 9 would never have a shot at a title maybe, but those would be your local teams, where now, only Salt lake City in Utah actually has a team, if you anywhere else in Utah, I guess you support the Jazz cause it is closest thing you got, and its fine, but there is romance in having your local town team and knowing that technically, they are in the same system as the biggest teams in the continent.

Yes, as I said. They're different and that's a huge reason why the NBA eco system allows trades. You're an NBA player first. You play for the team second. We can debate if that's a good thing or not for fans (but lets not). That said at the end of the day the systems are different and that's why we can't just take the concept from one place and apply it to the other.

[xdrta+]

I still remember how flabbergasted I was when I first learned that almost everyone in US sports can be traded without their permission - it was shortly after I first started following English language news and discussions about the NBA and a blockbuster trade for Jason Kidd was stopped due to Devean George's no trade clause. Everyone was saying "How does this scrub has a no trade clause" and I was like "Wait, most players can be traded without their consent, that's messed up".

True No-trade clauses are very rare and George didn't have one. There are, however, several common situations where a player can veto a trade. For instance, a player who re-signs with his previous team on a one-year contract, or a two-year deal with an option year, can veto a trade and that's the rule that allowed George to veto it. There are several other rules that give veto power to a player and there are always a number of players who have that power each year.