[Shams] Denver trades Michael Porter Jr. and an unprotected 2032 first-round pick to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson

[Sharkboy242]

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Jason Timpf says Cam is a perfect fit for the Nuggets that will result in a big upgrade over Porter. He thinks these additions make the Nuggets a clear top tier contender once again

[Doctor MJ]

One thing that is underrated about this. In one season, Jordi Fernandez rehabilitated the value of Ben Simmons, Dorian Finney-Smith, Dennis Schroder and Cam Johnson. Perhaps he can do the same with Michael Porter Jr.

Huh? I'm real confused by this post. Simmons was a superstar who got traded to the Nets for James Harden, and this season they just waived him, right?

Simmons was waived but he actually played well for Brooklyn last season as a backup facilitator. In Fernandez's system, he had Ben not looking like he was washed. He went to the Clippers and proceeded to look bad again. You have understand the baseline here for Ben was out of the league and somehow Fernandez received quality minutes out of the guy. The only reason Ben wasn't traded instead of waived was because his contract was too large.

I mean, I think the clear goal of rehabilitating the value of a player is to either a) make him valuable enough you want to keep him, or b) make him valuable enough you can trade him for assets. The fact that after spending the bulk of their season starting Simmons, they decided they were better off buying him out and getting no assets for him, means they failed to rehabilitate his value so far as it matters to them.

Did Simmons look better in Brooklyn than on the Clippers? Maybe a little, but Brooklyn was trying to give him a role he could potentially rehabilitate his value while the Clippers were simply looking to fill out their bench. Worth noting that the Clippers with Simmons on the court did better than what the Nets had been doing with Simmons on the court. And while there's an obvious explanation that is a tempting rebuttal (he's playing on a better team now), there's something kinda dicey about saying Simmons looked better in a situation where his lineups were doing worse. It can literally be true...but implies that Simmons is at his best on a team that's going nowhere.

[SeanieWard]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

But although the Nets get a much more expensive player, he is a bit younger, and I think a slightly better shooter. He's a 50/40 guy. And the fact that he takes so many 3s and jumpers that's very impressive!

And I also read that in the last year of his contract only 12M is guaranteed. That's something I haven't seen mentioned a whole lot. Not to mention the Nets also received an unconditional 1st round pick in 2032 when Jokic will either be out of his prime or maybe out of Denver and who knows how good they will be then. It's another asset for a rebuilding franchise while Denver gets a more durable version of MPJ with some better defense

[manlisten]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

You'll be surprised to find out that MPJ has been more durable than Cam the last 3 seasons. Like, a lot more. Cam also grabs 3 less rebounds and I'm not even sure his defense is all that great based on advanced metrics.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Alatan]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

But although the Nets get a much more expensive player, he is a bit younger, and I think a slightly better shooter. He's a 50/40 guy. And the fact that he takes so many 3s and jumpers that's very impressive!

And I also read that in the last year of his contract only 12M is guaranteed. That's something I haven't seen mentioned a whole lot. Not to mention the Nets also received an unconditional 1st round pick in 2032 when Jokic will either be out of his prime or maybe out of Denver and who knows how good they will be then. It's another asset for a rebuilding franchise while Denver gets a more durable version of MPJ with some better defense

He is not a better shooter. He might have better percentages because he takes way easier shots but IMO Cam is a way better and more dynamic shooter.

Also MPJs contract bwcame fully guaranteed after winning the championship, so its not 12 but 40 million.

[mkot]

There's no doubt MPJ is a more talented player, but he has spent most of his prime years since entering the league rehabbing his body instead of developing his game. If anything he has regressed due to his decline in athleticism caused by having multiple back surgeries in the years he should be growing and learning.

One big difference in MPJ and Cam's offensive game is the ability to set screen. At 6'10 and a broken body/back MPJ just isn't capable or even allowed to set screen to get himself or others open, limiting his role in any offensive sets. I don't know how many dunks he has last season but I bet it's his career low, he is not as explosive as he once was even at only age 27 which is a shame. Many people call him soft but nobody can't come back from 3 back surgeries if he is mentally weak or without a extremely good work ethics. He works his ass off just to be available as proven the last 2 seasons.

I wish he doesn't follow the footsteps of all former Jokic's teammates and stays healthy. He has good relationship with the owner, the organization and beloved by all his teammates past or present, even got Jokic to come to his podcast so maybe one day he can come back to Denver for a more reasonable contract.

[MavsDirk41]

I like it for Denver. Cam will have a career year playing with Jokic.

[WiggOuts]

I wanna see DEN add Ben Simmons, I think Jokic can get something out of him

[Yoshun]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

You'll be surprised to find out that MPJ has been more durable than Cam the last 3 seasons. Like, a lot more. Cam also grabs 3 less rebounds and I'm not even sure his defense is all that great based on advanced metrics.

Yup. I've watched Cam on the Nets for three seasons and he's, okay. He's an efficient, reliable scorer but he doesn't give you much else and he's constantly hurt. He hasn't played 60 games in something like 5 seasons. He's a guy you want coming off your bench for a little scoring punch and some solid outside shooting.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I wanna see DEN add Ben Simmons, I think Jokic can get something out of him

Simmons would be the backup center

[Michaellam1987]

MPJ is younger and more talented player. This is a win win trade for both team. That pick from DEN may be valuable. MPJ is overpaid now, but he is young enough to be kept in BKN as part of the long term piece. IMO, BKN should go for Kuminga as well. They may form the a young talented forward combo for BKN.

[cgf]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

You'll be surprised to find out that MPJ has been more durable than Cam the last 3 seasons. Like, a lot more. Cam also grabs 3 less rebounds and I'm not even sure his defense is all that great based on advanced metrics.

Yeah, Cam’s defense is not his selling point

[Paradise]

As a Nets fan, I like this trade for both teams. It seems most like this deal for Denver more and i get it..Cam is a better all around player than MPJ and he's more durable which matters a lot.

You'll be surprised to find out that MPJ has been more durable than Cam the last 3 seasons. Like, a lot more. Cam also grabs 3 less rebounds and I'm not even sure his defense is all that great based on advanced metrics.

Yup. I've watched Cam on the Nets for three seasons and he's, okay. He's an efficient, reliable scorer but he doesn't give you much else and he's constantly hurt. He hasn't played 60 games in something like 5 seasons. He's a guy you want coming off your bench for a little scoring punch and some solid outside shooting.

Cam is a perfect fit for Denver since he has way more help to mask his injuries issues and lack of shot creation.

MPJ can actually get a new look at a whole vastly different role and set of offensive plays. There is no Jokic or Murray. We run alot of backcuts, PnR and transition. All things he is really good at when healthy. Now, he will have a higher usage rate of plays ran for him with the amount of passers we now have.

[JimmyPlopper]

Egor Demin / Nolan Traore / Ben Saraf
Terance Mann / Keon Johnson / Dariq Whitehead
Michael Porter Jr. / Ziaire Williams / Drake Powell / Tyrese Martin
Jalen Wilson / Noah Clowney / Drew Timme
Nicolas Claxton / Day'Ron Sharpe / Danny Wolf

[WiggOuts]

I wanna see DEN add Ben Simmons, I think Jokic can get something out of him

Simmons would be the backup center

He could legitimately be a lot of things for them. He Istill plays great d, Jokic does well with cutters and he's another ball handler/playmaker with size