M2J wrote:DC_Melo wrote:M2J wrote:
Rudy gobert has more dpoy than anyone... The discussions today about his he sucks is what the discussions were about including Billups over several other guards on those teams simply because he was on a great defensive team and much like you media voters can't determine defense and those Pistons teams weren't winning due to Chauncey averaging mid teens ppg and under 45% shooting.... It was defense led by their front court. Watch a game... See what you can achieve then
Nice, pivot to Gobert cuz you can’t link your made up video lol.
I do watch games my friend, and I read. And if you did the same, you would see that in the links I sourced, he was not only a defensive stalwart with a sub 99 def rating his championship season, he was also the most efficient player on that offense.
Now, I have made my case why he was a lot more to that championship team than you originally stated. And I have provided actual facts and sources. I invite you to do the same, but otherwise I’m really not interested in talking in circles with someone who ignores facts and can’t provide any sources of his own. You want to say Billups was the worst defender on that Pistons team? Provide some proof
He was finals MVP never said he didn't matter to the team.
I pivoted to gobert because the evidence is there and you can't claim a lack of sources from 20 years ago as you've pivoted your entire discussion.
Never said I had a video. Didn't even look for one.... You need one because you're ignorant on the subject outside of some cherry picked stats. Defensive rating man is not the same as defensive writing now. The points per game was totally different. Defensive rating for individual player is also reflective on the overall team. I.E. it would be a bench able offense for someone to have 113 defensive rating for team with a 97 drtg. You judge individual players defensive rating based on their overall teams numbers not the leagues.... Not saying he is his way different than the teams rating ...just say throwing out 99 pretending like he's the reason for it is showing the way you watch basketball...on paper and random sources.
No one else besides you here has any “memory” of this video, so the onus is on you to provide proof. Unless some of our Pistons fans can chime in and confirm your story.
Like, if I said I saw a video of a 40 year old Michael Jordan destroying LeBron in 2003 in a one-on-one game, everyone would be asking for the source. The same thing is true of your claim.
Of if I make a claim that there’s a video of you saying that Billups is the GOAT, you would say, “What video? I never said that. Show me the video.”
Or if I said there was a video of Billups beating Kobe in a game of 1 on 1 where Kobe didn’t score any points, you’d ask for the source.
I think you get the point. You need to provide the proof for your claim.
And everyone who watched the Pistons knew that Billups was a better defender than Rip. You say Billups just has a good defensive rating because of his teammates, but then why does Rip have a negative defensive rating?
And I know this is a red herring argument from you, but Rudy is a great defensive player and his playoff defense “shortcomings” have been overblown. He successfully defended and beat Luka, LeBron, Booker, Durant, and Jokic in the playoffs.
