Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[floppymoose]

Kuminga doesn't fit the Warriors.

The Kuminga archtype fits the Warriors extremely well. A decent version of Kuminga is *exactly* what GS needed. I loved the draft pick at the time. He is the only guy on the whole damn team why can finish over people inside, or get to the line trying to (and don't say Butler; those days are gone).

If he would simply rebound the damn ball he would be an ok fit already. If he defended better as well he would be a really nice fit.

[SpreeS]

Kerr is a buffoon that doesn't know how to develop young players. I think we can all agree about that right?

Based on what? Draymond, Wiggins, Barnes, Looney, Poole all improved under him. Moody, Podz are young players that have become rotation players early in career. Wiseman was a bust that hasn't panned out elsewhere. If anything, Kerr seems like a good evaluator of winning players. There's a reason Kuminga has no suitors except for two trash teams, his skillset is not that of a winning player.

Draymond? Go and look his playing time and stats in last 20games of RS and PO's in 2014. Wiggs? One lucky season, thats it. Barnes? Moody? His camp isn't happy with Kerr too. Poole? Was he happy with Klay return? Kerr took him out from starting role immediately.

[SpreeS]

About Kuminga as a bad rebounder

per 100pos

Green 9.9reb
Kuminga 9.1reb
Butler 8.1reb
Wiggs 7.2reb

And he defnded a lot on perimeter best opp scorers. In his TOP25 matchup on defence you can find name like Edwards/Donic/Green/Harden/Irving/Beal/Powell/Shai/Lebron. Considering this into account, he is ok rebounder.

For example Lebron and Doncic are considered good rebounders...who don't defend A/B types perimeters players, stand near basket and collecting uncontested rebounds.

Doncic 11.1reb/100pos (23.5% contested reb)
Lebron 10.6reb/100pos (26.6% contested reb)

[pepe1991]

Kuminga should be more of Aaron Gordon on Nuggets and less of Aaron Gordon on Magic to have much better career.

Less jumpshots and dribbling, more focus on defense, using advantage of size & leaping for missmatch opportunities and simply rebound like person with his physical profile should.

He should have near 70% of all shots taken inside 10 feet. Rest should be catch & shoot.

[DB23]

About Kuminga as a bad rebounder

per 100pos

Green 9.9reb
Kuminga 9.1reb
Butler 8.1reb
Wiggs 7.2reb

And he defnded a lot on perimeter best opp scorers. In his TOP25 matchup on defence you can find name like Edwards/Donic/Green/Harden/Irving/Beal/Powell/Shai/Lebron. Considering this into account, he is ok rebounder.

For example Lebron and Doncic are considered good rebounders...who don't defend A/B types perimeters players, stand near basket and collecting uncontested rebounds.

Doncic 11.1reb/100pos (23.5% contested reb)
Lebron 10.6reb/100pos (26.6% contested reb)

It’s the total package which is lacking. He doesn’t really do anything that well except finish inside when he has an athletic advantage.

And all of those other players you list have other elite skllls.

I would also say kuminga does not often guard the other teams A player because he is not capable.

[The-Power]

Dubs better get whatever garbage and be happy.

If JK plays his only hand, he will get his revenge and take the QO on 10/1, and no sooner. Play like what Kerr complains about. Then gets benched like Kerr wants. Or worst, waive him... and Dubs get the shaft for not taking back pennies on the dollar.

And what's in it for Kuminga besides screwing himself out of future earnings potential even further? And why would the Warriors take ‘garbage’ back in return? Neither point makes any sense.

[SpreeS]

About Kuminga as a bad rebounder

per 100pos

Green 9.9reb
Kuminga 9.1reb
Butler 8.1reb
Wiggs 7.2reb

And he defnded a lot on perimeter best opp scorers. In his TOP25 matchup on defence you can find name like Edwards/Donic/Green/Harden/Irving/Beal/Powell/Shai/Lebron. Considering this into account, he is ok rebounder.

For example Lebron and Doncic are considered good rebounders...who don't defend A/B types perimeters players, stand near basket and collecting uncontested rebounds.

Doncic 11.1reb/100pos (23.5% contested reb)
Lebron 10.6reb/100pos (26.6% contested reb)

It’s the total package which is lacking. He doesn’t really do anything that well except finish inside when he has an athletic advantage.

And all of those other players you list have other elite skllls.

I would also say kuminga does not often guard the other teams A player because he is not capable.

So all these matchups names a take from the sky? Go to NBA.COM and look. Also I talk only about rebounding, nothing more. Total package cost max deal on contending teams. A lot of players cost max deals on avg or bad teams w/o total packages. We talk about 20/23mln per year player. About what total packages are you talking here? These are players Claxton/Hart/Monk/P.Williams/Caruso who got new contracts around Kuminga price in last 2 years and he is youngest from them all, only 22y old.

[DB23]

About Kuminga as a bad rebounder

per 100pos

Green 9.9reb
Kuminga 9.1reb
Butler 8.1reb
Wiggs 7.2reb

And he defnded a lot on perimeter best opp scorers. In his TOP25 matchup on defence you can find name like Edwards/Donic/Green/Harden/Irving/Beal/Powell/Shai/Lebron. Considering this into account, he is ok rebounder.

For example Lebron and Doncic are considered good rebounders...who don't defend A/B types perimeters players, stand near basket and collecting uncontested rebounds.

Doncic 11.1reb/100pos (23.5% contested reb)
Lebron 10.6reb/100pos (26.6% contested reb)

It’s the total package which is lacking. He doesn’t really do anything that well except finish inside when he has an athletic advantage.

And all of those other players you list have other elite skllls.

I would also say kuminga does not often guard the other teams A player because he is not capable.

So all these matchups names a take from the sky? Go to NBA.COM and look. Also I talk only about rebounding, nothing more. Total package cost max deal on contending teams. A lot of players cost max deals on avg or bad teams w/o total packages. We talk about 20/23mln per year player. About what total packages are you talking here? These are players Claxton/Hart/Monk/P.Williams/Caruso who got new contracts around Kuminga price in last 2 years and he is youngest from them all, only 22y old.

You need to look at basketball beyond just stats imo.

I’ve watched most kuminga games in his career and he’s frequently In the wrong place or doing something dumb to kill momentum. 20 mil is fine. But he’s demanding 30+ and In this cba it’s crazy to do that for anyone.

[SpreeS]

Dubs better get whatever garbage and be happy.

If JK plays his only hand, he will get his revenge and take the QO on 10/1, and no sooner. Play like what Kerr complains about. Then gets benched like Kerr wants. Or worst, waive him... and Dubs get the shaft for not taking back pennies on the dollar.

And what's in it for Kuminga besides screwing himself out of future earnings potential even further? And why would the Warriors take ‘garbage’ back in return? Neither point makes any sense.

What earnings? Guaranteed 22 mln? GSW blows my minds:

untouchable in trade talks in FEB
DNP's in MAR/APRL
QO or 2y/45mln with team option in JUL
Asking price 1st rnd pick and youn talent

Do they see what kind of mess it is? What kind price they ask and what kind of contract they offer? So if you dont value Kuminga, then you asking price in trade talks must on the same level.

With second option (2y/45mln) Kuminga could be traded into the same bad situation for him where he is now for two more years. QO with NTC is the best option for him. He lose money in first year, but he will get own 20/y and role next year. Also he will be more atractive in free market for this price b/c he won't cost for teams 1st rnd pick or young talent or both.

[drone3]

Is Giddey for Kuminga S&T possible?

[SpreeS]

It’s the total package which is lacking. He doesn’t really do anything that well except finish inside when he has an athletic advantage.

And all of those other players you list have other elite skllls.

I would also say kuminga does not often guard the other teams A player because he is not capable.

So all these matchups names a take from the sky? Go to NBA.COM and look. Also I talk only about rebounding, nothing more. Total package cost max deal on contending teams. A lot of players cost max deals on avg or bad teams w/o total packages. We talk about 20/23mln per year player. About what total packages are you talking here? These are players Claxton/Hart/Monk/P.Williams/Caruso who got new contracts around Kuminga price in last 2 years and he is youngest from them all, only 22y old.

You need to look at basketball beyond just stats imo.

I’ve watched most kuminga games in his career and he’s frequently In the wrong place or doing something dumb to kill momentum. 20 mil is fine. But he’s demanding 30+ and In this cba it’s crazy to do that for anyone.

I saw a lot of dumb plays from Green and Curry per their careers. So dumb what you can't logically explain what they were thinking at the time. Kuminga is only 22years old,for example Green had zero NBA games at this age. I could say that 70% of NBA players could have problems to fit in Green/Curry/Kerr system, but it doesnt mean that they are bad players (Schroder/Paul/Durant/Lee and others). Durant even didn't want to play for Kerr system after one year and he iso'ed a lot after that.

I dont say that Kuminga price is 30mln, it's not. But he has value around 20m/y in NBA and must have opportunity for other role/team, than stanting in the corner and waiting to cut or shoot open 3P.

[Exp0sed]

What’s his value to a team?

He’s not good, or efficient enough, to be a primary offensive option. So you are signing him as a role player.

What role is he playing? He doesn’t stretch the floor, he is a below average defensive player, he’s not a facilitator.

Players need PT to develop and gain confidence. GS really derailed his career (and worth). he started in just 84 games in his career, that's a season's worth of games for a lottery pick given PT from day one on a bottom feeder.

Kerr refused to play him and played ridicilous non-NBA caliber players over him, last playoffs he was forced to play him cuz of injuries and he was the best non Curry warrior on the floor

total negligence by Kerr. Kuminga hasn't proven he's worth 25M a season but he didn't really get a chance and players heading for their rookie extentions at 22\23 years old are often paid based on potential, sometimes it pans out and sometimes it doesn't but it's common practice



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[marthafokker]

Dubs better get whatever garbage and be happy.

If JK plays his only hand, he will get his revenge and take the QO on 10/1, and no sooner. Play like what Kerr complains about. Then gets benched like Kerr wants. Or worst, waive him... and Dubs get the shaft for not taking back pennies on the dollar.

And what's in it for Kuminga besides screwing himself out of future earnings potential even further? And why would the Warriors take ‘garbage’ back in return? Neither point makes any sense.

You just Kerr Stan.

JK wants nothing to do with him. How is he going to get a bigger contract in the future with DNP-CD? And if JK is allowed to play, he has to play, to prove himself, so hard that if he gets injured, Dubs will opt him off the team and not pay him. If that is the intent, screwed that. Get the QO, F the Dubs. Every NBA analysts thought the contract would be 2+1 (with player option). Get JK to sign, and work on trading him. Instead, they play petty with this contract offer saying... we are F'ing you. This is beyond money now. QO is the only response F'ing them back.

And no. JK isn't going to sleep on the street for not getting $14mil more. This is not Noel contract offer. That is a F@#% you offer. JK has only 1 play, QO. They just need to trade him now or get nothing.

Dubs just gone Nuclear instead of negotiating.

[Crives]

At this point Kuminga is likely saying, on 10/1 I am going to sign the QO. If you want to get more value from a trade do it now instead of trade deadline when I have veto and less value without bird rights.

[Onus]

Dubs better get whatever garbage and be happy.

If JK plays his only hand, he will get his revenge and take the QO on 10/1, and no sooner. Play like what Kerr complains about. Then gets benched like Kerr wants. Or worst, waive him... and Dubs get the shaft for not taking back pennies on the dollar.

And what's in it for Kuminga besides screwing himself out of future earnings potential even further? And why would the Warriors take ‘garbage’ back in return? Neither point makes any sense.

You just Kerr Stan.

JK wants nothing to do with him. How is he going to get a bigger contract in the future with DNP-CD? And if JK is allowed to play, he has to play, to prove himself, so hard that if he gets injured, Dubs will opt him off the team and not pay him. If that is the intent, screwed that. Get the QO, F the Dubs. Every NBA analysts thought the contract would be 2+1 (with player option). Get JK to sign, and work on trading him. Instead, they play petty with this contract offer saying... we are F'ing you. This is beyond money now. QO is the only response F'ing them back.

And no. JK isn't going to sleep on the street for not getting $14mil more. This is not Noel contract offer. That is a F@#% you offer. JK has only 1 play, QO. They just need to trade him now or get nothing.

Dubs just gone Nuclear instead of negotiating.

You're being way too emotional if you're willing to burn 14M in 1 year. Oh no you don't get a NTC! Only **** teams want him. He's going to a **** team regardless if he has a NTC now or he's in free agency next year. There's also not a lot of cap space next year meaning he's likely to be a mle player and now he's burning 22M in 2 years.

Easy to throw away someone else's money.

[MasterIchiro]

When I saw the length GS is going to 2 years 45 million, makes me think there is movement, and that the Warriors are leaning towards claiming Kuminga as an asset. I believe his most likely destination is starting to look more and more like GS. Only the Nets can force the Warriors to break the bank, but GS has plenty of money to lock in their assets. It's a nice thought for bidders to aim to get something for nothing. But I think the Warriors refuse to lose Kuminga for nothing. Yes, their budget is bloated by 3 vets, but they're wise enough and plenty rich to keep one eye on the future.

He's not going anywhere in my humble opinion.

[Bucks4005]

If he’s getting offers for 4/90 and turning it down, someone should remind him of the cases of Dennis Schroeder and Nerlens Noel just to be safe………

[xdrta+]

If he’s getting offers for 4/90 and turning it down, someone should remind him of the cases of Dennis Schroeder and Nerlens Noel just to be safe………

No one is offering him 4/90. Only the Nets would have space to make an offer and they don't appear to be interested.

[Bucks4005]

If he’s getting offers for 4/90 and turning it down, someone should remind him of the cases of Dennis Schroeder and Nerlens Noel just to be safe………

No one is offering him 4/90. Only the Nets would have space to make an offer and they don't appear to be interested.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/jonathan-kuminga/11106/news

Says he’s potentially gotten offers up to 4/90. So if he has, and if this is correct, my point stands

[xdrta+]

If he’s getting offers for 4/90 and turning it down, someone should remind him of the cases of Dennis Schroeder and Nerlens Noel just to be safe………

No one is offering him 4/90. Only the Nets would have space to make an offer and they don't appear to be interested.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/jonathan-kuminga/11106/news

Says he’s potentially gotten offers up to 4/90. So if he has, and if this is correct, my point stands

It's badly worded. It's not an "offer", which would have to be an offer sheet to an RFA, it's part of a sign-and-trade, which the Warriors would have to accept. Kuminga can't just accept it. So far the Warriors haven't seen an S&T that they would accept.