Who do you think will be ranked higher after the 25-26 NBA season: Luka or Shai?

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Who will be ranked higher at the end of the season?

Luka
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Re: Who do you think will be ranked higher after the 25-26 NBA season: Luka or Shai? 

Post#21 » by mademan » Sun Aug 3, 2025 9:08 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
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Mavrelous wrote:I have Luka as a tier above, slightly worse as a scorer, tiers above as playmaker, SGA defense is insanely overrated, but it's what have you done for me lately league, and he had the supporting cast to win, but chose to come back out of shape and give Nico the excuse to trade him, until this happens, the reigning MVP and champion is ahead and should be considered better, while Luka needs to build a contender from scratch again.


A tier above is crazy considering the advanced metrics like Shai a lot more. I can see people liking Luka better, but a whole tier? That's underselling Shai, who probably posted the best guard season outside of MJ/Curry, or horribly overrating Luka.

People are allowed to have opinions that don't align with advanced stats...
I've long argued roster construction plays bigger part in so called advanced impact stats than players performance themselves.
You either think SGA the best guard season ever, because no one comes close to hiss tats, or that we're dealing with extrapolation outside of stats intended range of modeling.


I think Shai is a top tier scorer and a genuinely + defender who's able to guard 'up' in positions, which is hugely valuable, especially in the pick-on-them modern era as your pg is usually your defensive weak-link. I think youre underselling the difference in being a + defender and being a continuous target.

Curry and MJ's stats are still better than Shai's, but yes, Shai is a historically great guard in the NBA and has had a season, beginning to end, that outclasses anything Luka has ever done. I still like Luka as being potentially a better player (maybe as soon as next year) as i value playmaking highly, but it's hard to squint currently and see him as better than Shai, let alone a whole tier greater.
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Post#22 » by Beethoven » Sun Aug 3, 2025 9:11 pm

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Post#24 » by ChumboChappati » Yesterday 9:01 pm

mademan wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:I have Luka as a tier above, slightly worse as a scorer, tiers above as playmaker, SGA defense is insanely overrated, but it's what have you done for me lately league, and he had the supporting cast to win, but chose to come back out of shape and give Nico the excuse to trade him, until this happens, the reigning MVP and champion is ahead and should be considered better, while Luka needs to build a contender from scratch again.


A tier above is crazy considering the advanced metrics like Shai a lot more. I can see people liking Luka better, but a whole tier? That's underselling Shai, who probably posted the best guard season outside of MJ/Curry, or horribly overrating Luka.

I also believe Luka is a tier above Shai. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, and Wemby are in their own tier.
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Post#25 » by Jedi32 » Yesterday 9:11 pm

Love Luka but SGA is the best player in the world right now, so Luka has to take that away from him. Scary thing is SGA might not be done improving.
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Post#26 » by Archx » Yesterday 9:24 pm

Jedi32 wrote:Love Luka but SGA is the best player in the world right now, so Luka has to take that away from him. Scary thing is SGA might not be done improving.


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Post#27 » by MrPainfulTruth » Yesterday 9:43 pm

Its unclear who the second best player in the league is. Between Luka, SGA and Giannis, several guys could be the guy to end up behind Jokic next year. However, as long as Luka as an attention hungry vampire drama queen doing everything to stay relevant he has zero chance to compete. SGA on the other hand is surrounded by a super talented functional roster, so its highly likely he will end up higher than Luka, but not due to more talent.
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Post#28 » by iggymcfrack » Yesterday 10:14 pm

Rubios wrote:
Primedeion wrote:Luka hasn't been better since 2022. I doubt that changes anytime soon.


Luka 23-24 was not? Yes, I know he was 3rd and Shai 2nd for the MVP. Because of team record, IMO.

And Shai played better than him during their series.
IMO again Doncic was only himself (not limping) for the majority of the WCF vs Wolves.

P.S. SGA is great.


SGA had him beaten in just about every advanced stat. Then they faced off in the playoffs and SGA badly outplayed him. I don't think it was remotely close that SGA was better.
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Post#29 » by iggymcfrack » Yesterday 10:17 pm

ChumboChappati wrote:
mademan wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:I have Luka as a tier above, slightly worse as a scorer, tiers above as playmaker, SGA defense is insanely overrated, but it's what have you done for me lately league, and he had the supporting cast to win, but chose to come back out of shape and give Nico the excuse to trade him, until this happens, the reigning MVP and champion is ahead and should be considered better, while Luka needs to build a contender from scratch again.


A tier above is crazy considering the advanced metrics like Shai a lot more. I can see people liking Luka better, but a whole tier? That's underselling Shai, who probably posted the best guard season outside of MJ/Curry, or horribly overrating Luka.

I also believe Luka is a tier above Shai. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, and Wemby are in their own tier.


Oh stop. I'm sick of people **** on SGA beyond all reason. A tier below Wemby? Come on. This is the only way to do it so it makes sense:

Tier I: Jokic, SGA

Tier II: Wemby, Luka, Giannis
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Re: Who do you think will be ranked higher after the 25-26 NBA season: Luka or Shai? 

Post#30 » by PhilBlackson » Yesterday 10:23 pm

Shai will likely remain ahead in the narrative because his team will have greater success again but I do think Luka is gonna nuclear (again) like he did a couple of years ago and because he's in LA where the media just can't stop themselves from overhyping/over discussing all things Lakers -- there's a good chance he wins his first MVP this season so it will be interesting to see what public opinion will be. Because I think Luka is going to have a potentially all-time type of season.
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Post#31 » by Archx » Yesterday 11:02 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:
Rubios wrote:
Primedeion wrote:Luka hasn't been better since 2022. I doubt that changes anytime soon.


Luka 23-24 was not? Yes, I know he was 3rd and Shai 2nd for the MVP. Because of team record, IMO.

And Shai played better than him during their series.
IMO again Doncic was only himself (not limping) for the majority of the WCF vs Wolves.

P.S. SGA is great.


SGA had him beaten in just about every advanced stat. Then they faced off in the playoffs and SGA badly outplayed him. I don't think it was remotely close that SGA was better.


I mean sure, on offense Shai's number %'s look slightly better but OKC's plan was also throw everything at Luka and forget the rest. Look how they were leaving wings wide open and how they guarded. You probably don't know that their defensive advance stats were almost the same, Luka actually defended with a better DFG% than Shai. Luka also ended OKC with 29/10/10 and 31/11/10.

All in all, if you want to believe SGA outplayed him, fine whatever, but i wouldn't exactly say that he "badly" outplayed him, that's total nonsense. If anything, Luka's playmaking masterclass was at full display in that series.

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Post#32 » by FrodoFraggins » Today 3:04 am

I think Luka will have a great year but he's not winning a title next season. So it's Shai for now.

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