Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated

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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#101 » by Reeko » Mon Aug 11, 2025 12:53 am

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HMFFL wrote:Chris Bosh wasn't going to be the driving force that led a team to a championship, but he showed leadership, and that he was a team first type of human, by taking a backseat in Miami. In Toronto, from what I observed, he gave it his all. 


Vince Carter was never going to win a championship as the guy.


Both have many things in common. They left Toronto after seven seasons and both are from American States that don't have state income tax. Both have saved millions due to where they live. 


Vince Carter: Daytona Beach, FL
Checkout the high school he went to and poured money into it's beautiful.


Chris Bosh: Dallas, TX


When I travel to Toronto I wish I would see more people wearing Chris Bosh and Vince Carter jerseys.

Be proud!

He didn't even mention his time in Toronto in his Hall of Fame speech. Here in Toronto few people care or think about Bosh. There was nothing remarkable about his time here other than getting a bunch of All Star nods because he was a good stats mediocre/bad team guy. As for Vince, even if I don't agree with it I could understand why people might wear his jersey.


Agree 100%

After watching Vince for years and then transition into watching Bosh it was very under whelming. I still remember Bosh leaving in the summer of 2010, and getting over it pretty quick.

His time in Toronto was super underwhelming and honestly forgotten, which is fine IMO. Like its been stated the CB4 era was some of the blandest, bleak, and boring era's in Raptors history. No promising young players, no regular season success, and quite frankly Bosh was just boring and awkward in general.

I dont even remember the last time I saw someone wearing a Bosh jersey in Toronto, let alone Canada. Yet you will still see people repping VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi.

Right? After the initial sting of him being a star player choosing to go somewhere else, I moved on right away. I never watched Bosh in Miami and said "Damn! I wish he was still a Raptor!" Of course when we got good in the We The North era I would say to myself "Imagine if Bosh had stayed, he would have been great for this team." but even then the guy I really wanted on the Raps at that point was Paul Millsap.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#102 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Aug 11, 2025 1:16 am

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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#103 » by Diop » Mon Aug 11, 2025 1:19 am

I think Bosh's tenure in Miami was under rated too. His lack of ego to become more of a role player alongside 2 "I am the Greatest" Super hero types deserves a whole lot more credit. He sacrificed the most for that team.

Heck Spoelstra had him starting some plays out of bounds to draw his defender away and give the driving duo more room. Can you imagine asking Lebron to do that?
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#104 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 4:51 am

Ritzo wrote:He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.


KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#105 » by Ritzo » Mon Aug 11, 2025 5:27 am

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Ritzo wrote:He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.


KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....

Yes, despite all that, he's still got overshadowed
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#106 » by NZB2323 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 5:50 am

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He was a superstar in Toronto. People expected him and wade to win championships even before LeBron showed up.


That’s because Wade was a superstar. Bosh was a guy you could win a championship with if he was your 2nd best player, like Gasol or Amare.
Not a chance.
And, Amar'e Stoudemire? Please!


Amare was a better offensive player and more injury prone, Bosh was the better defensive player. Bosh won more playoff games in Toronto than Gasol ever did in Memphis. Granted, the West was better, and I would rank Gasol and Amare above Bosh, but Bosh was in the same tier.

Lots of teams that won championships had worse #2 options.

Wade was incredible in the 2010 playoffs. I don’t even know who the 2nd best player on the Heat was. If you let Wade play with Bosh and some quality role players instead of LeBron, the Heat could absolutely win a championship.

The Heat almost won a championship in 2011 with LeBron playing poorly in the Finals, LeBron and Wade being an awkward fit without a lot of chemistry, and the Heat having bad role players.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#107 » by Yin 2K » Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:45 am

Everytime I hear about Chris Bosh it's never about his clean footwork, midrange, post work etc, no its always about LeBron James effect.

It's sad people enjoy agenda pushing rather than actual hoops.
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Post#108 » by BobbyPortisEyes » Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:48 am

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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#109 » by DAWill1128 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 7:41 am

The issues with the blood clots cut his career short unexpectedly. In 2014-2015 after LeBron left the blood clot issues came up and derailed the Heats season.

In 2015-2016 the blood clots came up again and he was ruled out the remaining of the season. The Heat retooled going into that season, they went 7 games with the Raptors in the 2nd round, no Bosh and Whiteside got injured at the beginning of game 3 forcing them into these gimmicky lineups with Deng and Winslow playing center. You have to assume with Bosh the Heat roll right past the Raptors considering the series already went 7. That would've been must see tv watching the Heat vs LeBron Cavs. The Raptors took the Cavs 6 games, I think the Heat with Bosh and Whiteside able to play may have come out of the East. How much does that change history if the Heat go onto the 2016 finals or even win the 2016 finals? Wade gets his 4th and LeBron probably never gets a ring in Cleveland.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#110 » by Jables » Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:15 am

Chris Bosh was a better player in general than some people realise (seems people only ever talk about that one year in Miami), but I mean he was obviously fine with playing a role in a team even if he didn't fit with LeBron perfectly. So you can say he did it to himself, and he probably doesn't mind too much.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#111 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 1:44 pm

Ritzo wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Ritzo wrote:He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.


KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....

Yes, despite all that, he's still got overshadowed


Overshadowed in what way? Obviously they were bigger stars (not amare who's just a weird inclusion here). I mean obviously these guys were all on winning teams so of course they were getting more press for that.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#112 » by Stan » Mon Aug 11, 2025 2:12 pm

I just want to repeat again, the guy had 1 winning season, won 3 playoff games, and missed the playoffs 5 times in 7 seasons with the Raptors. And this is the tenure we're calling "underrated".

His tenure with the Raptors was less successful than Elton Brand's with the Clippers or Zach Randolph's with the Grizzlies. OP would never even make this thread in the first place if Bosh never joined LeBron in Miami.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#113 » by Iwasawitness » Mon Aug 11, 2025 2:16 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Ritzo wrote:He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.


KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....


Does the 3 on your keyboard not work or something?
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#114 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:02 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:
Ritzo wrote:He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.


KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....


Does the 3 on your keyboard not work or something?


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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#115 » by Iwasawitness » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:17 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
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dhsilv2 wrote:
KG had a career changing injury by 2009 when he was 24. Duncan's MVP runs were done by 2007 at 22. Amare isn't a part of any all time great discussion or Gasol....


Does the 3 on your keyboard not work or something?


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Seems fine. What's up?


I think I misinterpreted your post.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#116 » by Clay Davis » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:26 pm

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How? His offense as a #1 was good, but he was not great, if great is guys who can be a #1 on a top contender, Bosh was not that at all.

Not a resilient enough scorer and not a playmaker to be that kind of guy. For example, we would argue that Paul George is a better #1 than Bosh, he's a superior playmaker and he's a better scorer, and George is not a guy we would consider a #1 on a title team.

If Bosh has his Miami defense and Toronto offense, that still doesn't get him to top 5 PF. Duncan, Malone, Giannis, Barkley, Dirk, KG is already 6 and he doesn't get over any of those guys, and AD is better on both ends, then you have Pau who has the size and passing over him and superior defense to Miami Bosh, so we're at 8 already, so no chance.

Yea, even with that, he's not touching top 5 PF's.


Only Duncan (late career), KG, AD, and Giannis demonstrated to capability to defend the pick and roll like he could. He was more switchable than the other guys you listed. Now, granted, they were suitable defenders for their time, able to body the big mon gwan pop in da block ting... but to switch onto guards like Boshtrich did? The times done changed, and the rizz must change with it. I think that Bosh had the defensive rizz relative to this current era to exceed many PFs iwho were historically considered great defensive playas.

And I hope you know that the Bosh is watching us... he is here, he is amongst us. He could be any of us.

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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#117 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:33 pm

Yes, Bosh is significantly underrated and he had an awful supporting cast.

His 2nd best player during his Raptors tenure was Jose Calderon, who while good offensively, was horrible defensively.

That Raptors team in 2009-2010 won 41 games despite Bosh breaking his face and missing a dozen games where the team went like 1-11. They were on pace for 45-48 wins that year had Bosh not got hurt.

With Bosh gone, that same team won 22 games, despite Bargnani and Derozan getting older. I remember many Raptor fans having high hopes for Bargnani with Bosh gone, and we wanted to see how he did as the #1 option, but he was abysmal.

I think if you paired Bosh with another legitimate all-star player/top 20 player during his time in Toronto, they would be a 50-55 win team and contender.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#118 » by cupcakesnake » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:38 pm

I think I watched every game of the Bosh era. My high school best friends were Raps fans, and that's how we spent many nights. Smoking weed and watching the misadventures of Christopher Bosh.

My scouting report:
- Incredible combination of first step, and pull up counter. His faceup game, sort of like prime Amar'e's, paralyzed defenders because you had to guard his pull up, but his first step was too quick and long if you guarded him tight. Obvious all-star level scoring threat.

- Not a playmaker. You can't make him central to your offense, because although he likes to hold the ball and look for passing reads, he's just nothing special in terms of vision or decision making. Bosh holding the ball surveying the court is completely dead offense. Toronto did a good job surrounding him with passers over the years, but should have been more purposeful about emphasizing Bosh as a finisher, rather than starting possessions with him in iso.

- His lack of strength as a skinny big, combined with his poor decision making, led to some embarrassing playoff performances. Jason Collins absolutely stonewalled him in Bosh's debut series. Since Bosh couldn't really pull in the defense and turn that into playmaking, one really strong iso defender was all you needed to mess up Bosh.

- Defensively, he had some nice versatility as a guy with quick feet and vertical length. Toronto put some awful defenses around him. He shared the frontcourt with guys like Bargnani, Charlie V, Matt Bonner, and Rafael Araujo, while covering for multiple defensive sieves on the perimeter: Jalen Rose, TJ Ford, Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu. Rasho Nesterovic being positionally solid made Bosh's defense noticeable to me. There were briefs moments where he got to play with Jermaine O'Neal and then Shawn Marion, and Bosh immediately looked pretty good. He proved his utility in Miami, but there were signs before that.

I think Bosh was better than Amar'e Stoudemire. Not quite the same level of rim pressure, but he could approximate Amare's scoring game without having the same awful holes. Had Bosh played his prime with Nash, he would have scored a ton, been more durable, and the Suns would have been better. I don't think Bosh was at the same level as the best power forwards. He wasn't as all-around versatile as Gasol, and shouldn't be mentioned in too many sentences with Dirk, KG, or Duncan. Bosh is comparable to Amar'e, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love tiers of power forwards. All-star, borderline all-NBA, but not more than that.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#119 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 3:53 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:I think I watched every game of the Bosh era. My high school best friends were Raps fans, and that's how we spent many nights. Smoking weed and watching the misadventures of Christopher Bosh.

My scouting report:
- Incredible combination of first step, and pull up counter. His faceup game, sort of like prime Amar'e's, paralyzed defenders because you had to guard his pull up, but his first step was too quick and long if you guarded him tight. Obvious all-star level scoring threat.

- Not a playmaker. You can't make him central to your offense, because although he likes to hold the ball and look for passing reads, he's just nothing special in terms of vision or decision making. Bosh holding the ball surveying the court is completely dead offense. Toronto did a good job surrounding him with passers over the years, but should have been more purposeful about emphasizing Bosh as a finisher, rather than starting possessions with him in iso.

- His lack of strength as a skinny big, combined with his poor decision making, led to some embarrassing playoff performances. Jason Collins absolutely stonewalled him in Bosh's debut series. Since Bosh couldn't really pull in the defense and turn that into playmaking, one really strong iso defender was all you needed to mess up Bosh.

- Defensively, he had some nice versatility as a guy with quick feet and vertical length. Toronto put some awful defenses around him. He shared the frontcourt with guys like Bargnani, Charlie V, Matt Bonner, and Rafael Araujo, while covering for multiple defensive sieves on the perimeter: Jalen Rose, TJ Ford, Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu. Rasho Nesterovic being positionally solid made Bosh's defense noticeable to me. There were briefs moments where he got to play with Jermaine O'Neal and then Shawn Marion, and Bosh immediately looked pretty good. He proved his utility in Miami, but there were signs before that.

I think Bosh was better than Amar'e Stoudemire. Not quite the same level of rim pressure, but he could approximate Amare's scoring game without having the same awful holes. Had Bosh played his prime with Nash, he would have scored a ton, been more durable, and the Suns would have been better. I don't think Bosh was at the same level as the best power forwards. He wasn't as all-around versatile as Gasol, and shouldn't be mentioned in too many sentences with Dirk, KG, or Duncan. Bosh is comparable to Amar'e, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love tiers of power forwards. All-star, borderline all-NBA, but not more than that.


A fair assessment...that's how I had him, on the same tier as Amare, Blake, Kevin Love, Marc Gasol, Aldridge etc.

He's above guys like Randolph, Millsap, Horford, but not near the Dirk, KG, Duncan tier.

I have Pau slightly ahead of Bosh but not by much. He's more like tier 1B and Bosh is tier 2A.

One thing that I will defend Bosh is on is his bad Nets series in 2007...he was 23 years old and in his first playoff series ever so he was a bit of a deer in the headlights and didn't have another star next to him. He was much better in his 2008 series against Orlando and he reached his peak in the 2009-2010 season, were he was much stronger and more skilled compared to 2007. Unfortunately, he broke his orbital bone after the all-star break, and the Raptors went like 1-11 without him in the line-up, narrowly missing the playoffs by 1 game.
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Re: Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated 

Post#120 » by HMFFL » Mon Aug 11, 2025 4:50 pm

XTC wrote:
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HMFFL wrote:Chris Bosh wasn't going to be the driving force that led a team to a championship, but he showed leadership, and that he was a team first type of human, by taking a backseat in Miami. In Toronto, from what I observed, he gave it his all. 


Vince Carter was never going to win a championship as the guy.


Both have many things in common. They left Toronto after seven seasons and both are from American States that don't have state income tax. Both have saved millions due to where they live. 


Vince Carter: Daytona Beach, FL
Checkout the high school he went to and poured money into it's beautiful.


Chris Bosh: Dallas, TX


When I travel to Toronto I wish I would see more people wearing Chris Bosh and Vince Carter jerseys.

Be proud!

He didn't even mention his time in Toronto in his Hall of Fame speech. Here in Toronto few people care or think about Bosh. There was nothing remarkable about his time here other than getting a bunch of All Star nods because he was a good stats mediocre/bad team guy. As for Vince, even if I don't agree with it I could understand why people might wear his jersey.


Agree 100%

After watching Vince for years and then transition into watching Bosh it was very under whelming. I still remember Bosh leaving in the summer of 2010, and getting over it pretty quick.

His time in Toronto was super underwhelming and honestly forgotten, which is fine IMO. Like its been stated the CB4 era was some of the blandest, bleak, and boring era's in Raptors history. No promising young players, no regular season success, and quite frankly Bosh was just boring and awkward in general.

I dont even remember the last time I saw someone wearing a Bosh jersey in Toronto, let alone Canada. Yet you will still see people repping VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi.


Backstage at the Scotiabank Arena in Toronto, I wish they showed the Raptors culture more, and not just the Leafs. Especially since the Raptors won the title. There are pictures and such of the Leafs and nothing in regard to the Raptors. After the large renovations at the arena, maybe things have changed. So, maybe the ownership is to blame for this, and not valuing the Raps history?

I will buy an old school jersey of Bosh and wear it around next time. Maybe I will be made fun of..lol

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