Am I wrong for believing LeBron doesn't raise team offenses like other All-time Greats?

[SHAQ32]

How many of those LeBron seasons are pre-2017?

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

not that it matters but if we're talking about +8 then it's...


15 of them.

If you can, tell me about this stat. Is this rating how LeBron played or is this also taking the team into account?

[MarcusBrody]

How many of those LeBron seasons are pre-2017?

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

I mean, do you even understand why I'm asking? Or are you just getting defensive because LeBron's your favorite player?

I'll bite: i don't understand why you are asking.

[-Sammy-]

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

I mean, do you even understand why I'm asking? Or are you just getting defensive because LeBron's your favorite player?

I'll bite: i don't understand why you are asking.

I think I do; the 'just getting defensive because LeBron's your favorite player' bit gives the agenda away.

[NbaAllDay]

I imagine OP expected some of the usual types to jump on board but it has backfired so far.

Says a lot about how off base this is.

[canada_dry]

He's lead some of the best playoff offenses in history.

End thread.

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[Lalouie]

he raised miami's, but miami was already a top5 defensive team

he raised teams by klutch/lebron using their muscle to add players

like i don't know just how much lebron/klutch was responsible for everyone wanting to join their bandwagon @cavs and @heat,,,but no one wanted to join him @lakers yet klutch/lebron got them ad. but if i look at lebron in context with other goats,,there has been NO GOAT who has manipulated his rosters in the way that lebron has

if you want to say the end justifies the means then i got no answer but to shrug my shoulders

[Godymas]

yes

i compared the 2008 Cavs to the 2009 Cavs which is a case of a LeBron James team going from 20th in the league to 4th in the league in offense. Truthfully, the biggest reason for why that offense became good is because they gave LeBron a better team compared to what he had the year before.

However, the On-Off numbers are kind of stupid when you compare both years, considering the team was remarkably improved from the year before. Like he posted a career best 21.2 On-Off which clearly means he's the reason why this team had an elite offense.

So yes

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

This is the silliest conversation that I have ever read.

[Optms]

Try a different sport, OP. This isn't for you.

[Iwasawitness]

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

not that it matters but if we're talking about +8 then it's...


15 of them.

If you can, tell me about this stat. Is this rating how LeBron played or is this also taking the team into account?

Is this a troll thread?

It feels like a troll thread.

[taikibansei]

How many of those LeBron seasons are pre-2017?

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

I mean, do you even understand why I'm asking? Or are you just getting defensive because LeBron's your favorite player?

Oh, I understand why you're asking: you're obsessed and feel somehow that Lebron slighted you personally in the past. Did he turn you down for an autograph? Did a girlfriend once call out his name instead of yours in bed? I wonder....

You wrote this in your OP:

despite playing with hall of famers and talented offensive supporting casts

Since pre-2017 "doesn't count" (your words), please walk us through the long list of hall of famers that Lebron has played with since 2017. I count two--AD (from 2019 when Lebron was 35), and then Luka from 2025 (when Lebron was 40). One of those hall of famers (AD) only averaged 48 games a season while playing with Lebron (yet they still managed one NBA championship together). The other hall of famer (Luka) was out of shape when he joined the team mid-season (and Lebron again was 40). Given that Lebron--who is not my favorite player by any means--was 35-40 while playing with these two players, what the hell more did you want from him?

[discconnected]

Very very wrong……imagine those early cavs without LeBron, or the later cavs without LeBron, or the heat, or lakers, or for that matter St Vincent St Mary.

[Iwasawitness]

Pre-2017 doesn't count then? As in nothing counts before Lebron turned 33?!

I mean, do you even understand why I'm asking? Or are you just getting defensive because LeBron's your favorite player?

Oh, I understand why you're asking: you're obsessed and feel somehow that Lebron slighted you personally in the past. Did he turn you down for an autograph? Did a girlfriend once call out his name instead of yours in bed? I wonder....

You wrote this in your OP:

despite playing with hall of famers and talented offensive supporting casts

Since pre-2017 "doesn't count" (your words), please walk us through the long list of hall of famers that Lebron has played with since 2017. I count two--AD (from 2019 when Lebron was 35), and then Luka from 2024 (when Lebron was 40). One of those hall of famers (AD) only averaged 48 games a season while playing with Lebron (yet they still managed one NBA championship together). The other hall of famer (Luka) was out of shape when he joined the team mid-season (and Lebron again was 40). Given that Lebron--who is not my favorite player by any means--was 35-40 while playing with these two players, what the hell more did you want from him?

Apparently Reaves is going to be a future HOF some day. Don't ask me how or why, I don't make the rules here.

[MavsDirk41]

All is know is that he has been very fortunate to have played with an insane amount of offensive talent for the past 15 years. Wade, Bosh, Love, Irving, Davis, Luka….holy crap!! Must be nice.

[NZB2323]

Weird timing of this thread as Thinking Basketball just ranked the 25 best peaks of this century based on how well teams played with and without a player on the court and they had LeBron #1.

I mean, the 2011 Finals was definitely a big failure for him, but he’s certainly been very impactful on team offense plenty of other times.

[sashaturiaf]

Yes because he hogs the ball and can only play that way.

He turn other HOF into spot up shooter. Like Bosh and Love

[Karate Diop]

Just when you think you've seen every outlandish Bron diminishment attempt possible, someone somewhere pops up with a new off the wall critique...

[Mephariel]

LOL, Lebron lives rent free in these people's head.