Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage

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Re: BREAKING: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentag 

Post#181 » by og15 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:23 pm

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Yeah, I get it, this is to incentivize weenie players who wouldn't take that last shot. You know another incentivizing force? Shame, and in this case it would have been an appropriate one.


Shame hasn't been working though.

Yea, no of few players are concerned about that aspect since nothing has changed

LuDux1 wrote:Richard Jefferson called this rule cowardly. Here we present mathematical proof that Richard Jefferson was a coward (further qualifications apply):

Trae Young last season attempted 7 heaves, or one heave every 457 minutes. By the same rate, Richard Jefferson should have attempted 75 heaves in his entire career. Instead, he attempted 7.

Not the best comparison to a PG.

RJ was a SF who wasn't one of his teams primary ball handlers. How often he got inbounded the ball in those situations would be a factor too.
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Re: BREAKING: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentag 

Post#183 » by LuDux1 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:07 pm

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LuDux1 wrote:Richard Jefferson called this rule cowardly. Here we present mathematical proof that Richard Jefferson was a coward (further qualifications apply):

Trae Young last season attempted 7 heaves, or one heave every 457 minutes. By the same rate, Richard Jefferson should have attempted 75 heaves in his entire career. Instead, he attempted 7.

Not the best comparison to a PG.

RJ was a SF who wasn't one of his teams primary ball handlers. How often he got inbounded the ball in those situations would be a factor too.


Mikal Bridges, 3 times more heaves while playing almost half of Jefferson's minutes

Or let's compare league averages:
1996-97: 7.2 (first season with heave stat)
2004-05: 12.1
2014-15: 14.4
2024-25: 17.4
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Re: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage 

Post#184 » by gavran » Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:04 pm

Will there be players, especially from the bunch that were ridiculed for deliberatly not attempting these types of shots, that will overcomoensate, and heave them full court with 5 seconds left on the shot clock?
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Re: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage 

Post#185 » by deck » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:19 pm

I don't like this rule change at all. It caters to players that care more about their personal stats than a small increase in their teams chance of winning.
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Re: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage 

Post#186 » by basketballRob » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:44 pm

I think intentional fouls under 24 seconds should give you 3 FTs. I hate when a team that's up 3 pts intentionally fouls, so they only get 2 FTs.

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Re: BREAKING: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentag 

Post#187 » by og15 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:34 am

LuDux1 wrote:
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LuDux1 wrote:Richard Jefferson called this rule cowardly. Here we present mathematical proof that Richard Jefferson was a coward (further qualifications apply):

Trae Young last season attempted 7 heaves, or one heave every 457 minutes. By the same rate, Richard Jefferson should have attempted 75 heaves in his entire career. Instead, he attempted 7.

Not the best comparison to a PG.

RJ was a SF who wasn't one of his teams primary ball handlers. How often he got inbounded the ball in those situations would be a factor too.


Mikal Bridges, 3 times more heaves while playing almost half of Jefferson's minutes

Or let's compare league averages:
1996-97: 7.2 (first season with heave stat)
2004-05: 12.1
2014-15: 14.4
2024-25: 17.4

Bridges attempted 3 his first 5 seasons with Phoenix. He then attempted 12 last season, an abnormally high number for him, and 5 the season before.

So last season, clearly, there was something in terms of how his minutes were rolling out to be ending quarters or there was some planning to get him the ball for them, but 12 is a lot, lots of guys career highs are in the single digits.

Unless we have specific samples of RJ deliberately avoiding them, we can't be conclusive. AI has 11 for his career and CP3 had 11 his one season in OKC (not the NOH/OKC time).
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Re: BREAKING: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentag 

Post#188 » by LuDux1 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:56 am

og15 wrote:
LuDux1 wrote:
og15 wrote:
Not the best comparison to a PG.

RJ was a SF who wasn't one of his teams primary ball handlers. How often he got inbounded the ball in those situations would be a factor too.


Mikal Bridges, 3 times more heaves while playing almost half of Jefferson's minutes

Or let's compare league averages:
1996-97: 7.2 (first season with heave stat)
2004-05: 12.1
2014-15: 14.4
2024-25: 17.4

Bridges attempted 3 his first 5 seasons with Phoenix. He then attempted 12 last season, an abnormally high number for him, and 5 the season before.

So last season, clearly, there was something in terms of how his minutes were rolling out to be ending quarters or there was some planning to get him the ball for them, but 12 is a lot, lots of guys career highs are in the single digits.

Unless we have specific samples of RJ deliberately avoiding them, we can't be conclusive. AI has 11 for his career and CP3 had 11 his one season in OKC (not the NOH/OKC time).


Yeah, but league-wide stats show that in general, people of RJ generation were cowards.
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Re: BREAKING: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentag 

Post#189 » by og15 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 10:43 am

LuDux1 wrote:
og15 wrote:
LuDux1 wrote:
Mikal Bridges, 3 times more heaves while playing almost half of Jefferson's minutes

Or let's compare league averages:
1996-97: 7.2 (first season with heave stat)
2004-05: 12.1
2014-15: 14.4
2024-25: 17.4

Bridges attempted 3 his first 5 seasons with Phoenix. He then attempted 12 last season, an abnormally high number for him, and 5 the season before.

So last season, clearly, there was something in terms of how his minutes were rolling out to be ending quarters or there was some planning to get him the ball for them, but 12 is a lot, lots of guys career highs are in the single digits.

Unless we have specific samples of RJ deliberately avoiding them, we can't be conclusive. AI has 11 for his career and CP3 had 11 his one season in OKC (not the NOH/OKC time).


Yeah, but league-wide stats show that in general, people of RJ generation were cowards.

That's a fair conclusion you can make based on the data
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Re: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage 

Post#190 » by Zadeh » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:32 am

I am sure Lebron James will try at least 100 in this season
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Re: Shams: Half-Court Heaves at the End of Quarters Will No Longer Count Against a Player's Shooting Percentage 

Post#191 » by Optms » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:42 am

Proposal; missed dunks shouldn't count. Next up after that - all missed shots with defenders contesting or rowdy fans shouldn't count against the precious percentages.

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