How long do the Spurs roll with Fox?

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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#41 » by badpotato » Sun Oct 26, 2025 11:42 pm

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Rainwater wrote:At Some point Harper will have to start this season, they really didn't need to sign Fox to such a deal with Harper there.
Yeah, i liked the Fox trade for them in real time but honestly Castle and Harper are just a much better fit and both will be better than Fox pretty soon..

They really don't need him and that extention might turn out to be a mistake

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Don't worry, we'll find a sucker for Fox if it comes down to it - he's plenty talented and i can easily see teams wanting to trade couple of decent players (with decently sized contracts) to get Fox.

We're not moving any of Castle,Harper,Fox this year godfather offer not withstanding.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#42 » by Rainwater » Sun Oct 26, 2025 11:47 pm

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Rainwater wrote:At Some point Harper will have to start this season, they really didn't need to sign Fox to such a deal with Harper there.
Yeah, i liked the Fox trade for them in real time but honestly Castle and Harper are just a much better fit and both will be better than Fox pretty soon..

They really don't need him and that extention might turn out to be a mistake

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Yeah, loved the trade as well when it happened but drafting Harper makes Fox unnecessary. I get Spurs fan argument regarding the Fox contract but just because you have the money doesn't mean you have to spend it especially on a guy who is not worth it.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#43 » by Lefty20 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 2:27 am

Castle & Harper are the future, but Fox is the present. Both still have much to learn from him.

But the biggest reason Spurs won't trade him is the optics. Fox forced his way to SA and and did them a solid by sabotaging his value by making it publicly known that he wanted SA and no one else. Spurs are not about to dump him after that.

Spurs are not the Lakers, who can pull of a stunt like that and still remain a desirable destination for stars via trade/FA. Miami & NY are prolly only other teams who can get away with pulling something like that off.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#45 » by ropjhk » Mon Oct 27, 2025 2:56 am

Lefty20 wrote:Castle & Harper are the future, but Fox is the present. Both still have much to learn from him.

But the biggest reason Spurs won't trade him is the optics. Fox forced his way to SA and and did them a solid by sabotaging his value by making it publicly known that he wanted SA and no one else. Spurs are not about to dump him after that.

Spurs are not the Lakers, who can pull of a stunt like that and still remain a desirable destination for stars via trade/FA. Miami & NY are prolly only other teams who can get away with pulling something like that off.


Normally I'd agree that the Spurs are not the type of team that could pull off that stunt but with Wemby I think they can get away with it. Players will want to play with Wemby even if the Spurs have shown disloyalty. The exposure and the chance to contend with who will be the best player in the game is too enticing.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#46 » by Vae Victus » Mon Oct 27, 2025 3:50 pm

Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#47 » by Black Jack » Mon Oct 27, 2025 3:52 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.


I wonder if teams will really want to help SA get more even loaded after a season of Wemby putting up video game type play against the league.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#48 » by Bornstellar » Mon Oct 27, 2025 4:11 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.

:lol: :lol: :lol: is that a joke? Why on earth would we dump Fox AND three first rounders for an injury prone, no defense PF that Ainge sat on too long making 50+ million a season? Hard pass. If Fox plays well and builds his value (which his value around the league is fine, I'm sure), Spurs can hunt for a better player than Markkanen next to Victor or break Fox into multiple players that fit around Victor

This idea that SA NEEDS to trade Fox is a bit ridiculous. Castle is NOT a PG. Harper is a natural playmaker with size ala Manu and Fox has a very TP-esque game. Spurs don't need to dump Fox just because their 19 year old rookie had a couple of good games. And certainly not for some injury prone dude at the cost of Fox and multiple first rounders. FFS, let them play a few games and see how they actually fit around each other first
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#49 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Oct 27, 2025 4:37 pm

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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#50 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Oct 27, 2025 4:37 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.


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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#51 » by badpotato » Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:01 pm

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Vae Victus wrote:Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.

:lol: :lol: :lol: is that a joke? Why on earth would we dump Fox AND three first rounders for an injury prone, no defense PF that Ainge sat on too long making 50+ million a season? Hard pass. If Fox plays well and builds his value (which his value around the league is fine, I'm sure), Spurs can hunt for a better player than Markkanen next to Victor or break Fox into multiple players that fit around Victor

This idea that SA NEEDS to trade Fox is a bit ridiculous. Castle is NOT a PG. Harper is a natural playmaker with size ala Manu and Fox has a very TP-esque game. Spurs don't need to dump Fox just because their 19 year old rookie had a couple of good games. And certainly not for some injury prone dude at the cost of Fox and multiple first rounders. FFS, let them play a few games and see how they actually fit around each other first


Not to mention Harper is 2/7 on NBA 3pt attempts for his career so far. I love the pick, I think he is going to be allstar some day, but he's not ready to take over yet -Ron won't be playing next to Steph or Ant right now and spacing matters.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#52 » by jowglenn » Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:05 pm

There are 48 minutes in a basketball game, and two guard positions. That's 96 minutes at guard. You divvy that up among 3 guys and voila you've got 32 minutes apiece. That's not to mention you'll have guys get injuries, get in foul trouble, you can run 3-guard lineups occasionally depending on matchups.

I mean hell, why do teams have more than 3 guards on their teams at all????
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#53 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:26 pm

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Ideally, I think you could trade Fox for a bigger upgrade in the forward position, but I don't know how many teams will be interested in giving away solid role players for a guy who is just starting a big extension that lasts until 2030.

That is the issue with the Spurs as they move forward.

It is Wemby and 4 guys in the 6'6 and under league. Barnes at 6'8" will do his best but SAS needs some PF/SF Size.


What’s embarrassing imo is anyone who watched the Spurs last season knows this was a glaring weakness last season too & despite a plethora of assets they didn’t address it really this offseason. At least not in the right way … outside of Wemby, their rebounding isn’t good & you need some rebounders along a shot blocker to maximize your defense


They started addressing it by signing Kornet which allows Wemby to play more at the 4.
They played together more than most expected in the first two games and were quite effective.
Yes the Spurs obviously need to improve at the forward spot, but shoring up the center rotation was an even bigger priority, and they still have some young guys who could develop at forward (Sochan, now Carter Bryant as well, and Vassell while not really young is entering his prime, can play the 3, and they are looking at him to defend better this season).
They had no such youth potential at center, just Wemby and g-league level guys.
The idea that they should just fix all their roster flaws in one offseason is kind of silly imo. They have made steps to improve each season, but can't just take on big contracts at every position with Wemby's extension coming and a plethora of future picks that they aren't sure what they will be doing with yet.
I think their approach is to be aggressive but not in a rush, and that's the right approach. As much as I wish they were ready to compete for a title this year, one bad signing can also be crippling for future roster building, and avoiding that is just as important as hitting on the guys they do sign.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#54 » by Castle Black » Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:31 pm

Yea Fox ain't going anywhere. Spurs nearly blew a 25-point lead yesterday to BKN, they clearly still need a stabilizing veteran PG on the floor at all time. And Fox gives them another reliable scorer and PnR maestro which they also need. It's a good problem to have. Harper will still get minutes and the majority of them will be going up against team's backups, and he will feast.
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Re: How long do the Spurs roll with Fox? 

Post#55 » by Vae Victus » Mon Oct 27, 2025 5:57 pm

badpotato wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:
Vae Victus wrote:Build up Fox's value and hope he has an effective season. Trade Fox + 3 FRPs for Lauri Markkenen to fill the SF/PF void and provide sharpshooting, Utah can re-route Fox elsewhere for more picks. SAS has the defense to cover for Lauri, and since 3 of their starters are on rookie deals (Wemby, Castle, Harper), Lauri's 30% max isnt too unreasonable to pay (he'll expire when the youth need to be extended) in the meantime.

Balances the roster and the traded FRPs wont be that high with Wemby, solid development from the young guards, and Lauri. If Fox has a good season, Utah will try to finagle some more FRPs + expirings from someone else and resume their tank in the quest for a franchise player. This deal should be very attractive to Utah if they can find a sucker to give up a coupla more FRPs for Fox.

:lol: :lol: :lol: is that a joke? Why on earth would we dump Fox AND three first rounders for an injury prone, no defense PF that Ainge sat on too long making 50+ million a season? Hard pass. If Fox plays well and builds his value (which his value around the league is fine, I'm sure), Spurs can hunt for a better player than Markkanen next to Victor or break Fox into multiple players that fit around Victor

This idea that SA NEEDS to trade Fox is a bit ridiculous. Castle is NOT a PG. Harper is a natural playmaker with size ala Manu and Fox has a very TP-esque game. Spurs don't need to dump Fox just because their 19 year old rookie had a couple of good games. And certainly not for some injury prone dude at the cost of Fox and multiple first rounders. FFS, let them play a few games and see how they actually fit around each other first


Not to mention Harper is 2/7 on NBA 3pt attempts for his career so far. I love the pick, I think he is going to be allstar some day, but he's not ready to take over yet -Ron won't be playing next to Steph or Ant right now and spacing matters.


Yea 3 FRPs is a bit much, as a Lakers fan, i dont really mind SAS overpaying and getting ripped off. But much like how people pooh pooh on LAL future FRPs being worth crap cuz of Luka, the same applies to SAS. Wemby is THAT special, you guys have a nice nucleus of young talent, and youre gonna be contending for as long as Wemby is around. Your future FRPs arent worth much either and that's a good thing!

But tbf, i wouldnt suggest making the move this year, i'd give it a season to see how players develop and giving Fox a chance to rehab his value. If Castle degresses (due to reduced role) or Harper busts, then cool, you just hold onto Fox for now and keep plugging away. If both young guards look like they'll pan out, why not move Fox for a starting caliber player at a position of need SF/PF with a skillset that greatly complements Wemby (spacing) who can help cover up his weaknesses (defense). You dont want to block your youth development for Fox and can allocate his payroll elsewhere, not to mention you risk nuking his value if the young guards are good enough to push him to a bench role or he becomes a locker room problem with a reduced role. Or swing for the moon and offer everything short of Wemby for Giannis, that can work too.

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