Primary ball handler is the most necessary position

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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#21 » by Bornstellar » Fri Nov 7, 2025 9:42 pm

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Bornstellar wrote:I don't know if it's the most necessary but it's definitely up there. Watching my Spurs try to function with no real primary ball handler since Harper went down has been painful. Castle is not a PG. We desperately need Fox back ASAP
Shams said Fox gonna make his season debut tomorrow.

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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#22 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 7, 2025 10:50 pm

nate33 wrote:Yes. Your offense is dead in the water unless it has one guy who can score efficiently against single coverage. You need a guy who can force teams to help and get into rotation. And in an era where fronting the post is now possible (thanks to zone defense rules allowing weakside help on off-ball players) you can't expect a post player to consistently get enough touches to regularly bend the defense from the low block. It has to be a ball handler.


This.

Denver suffers from this constantly because Murray is only a shooter who can operate out of DHOs and such sets, but can't actually get by people on his own.

Meantime, historically, there aren't that many guys who could author an offense strong enough to be truly competitive. And most of them still needed a star guard to get it done, and the ones who didn't have it didn't realize that ultimate goal. Or they had more game than just action from the low block, and had mobility and shooting ability more in line with a guard/forward, and a year or two of very strong supporting cast come the playoffs.

The requirements on a big to be that guy grow pretty significantly, right? So you need size, you need FT shooting touch, you need range, you need passing ability, you need to be able to read and react at the top of the circle and all that DHO fun-time stuff... AND they like you to have some post game and off-ball sense and screening and all that. It's rough, and that's before people start talking about defense.

Guards just have more mobility, more freedom and ease in ranging around the court to probe, especially if they combine athleticism and shooting. And then yeah, there's no illegal D letting you clear out a side for a post isolation as often as in the 90s, for example. You still get it happening at times, and your conventional off-ball action into the post for a quick move on the catch is still very viable, but that's harder to set up than a guard putzing around ATB.
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#23 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Nov 8, 2025 1:44 am

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Chuck Everett wrote:There are a million guards in the NBA and yet so many don't have the ability to finish with either hand nor are they able to make an entry pass.

The real reason is because the athletes defensively are crazy.

Any of those guards would come to your local Y and destroy you even if you tied their dominant hand behind their back


That might explain the NBA, but these guys can't do it on the lower levels of basketball (high school and college) either.
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#24 » by Thaddy » Sat Nov 8, 2025 1:52 am

There are two builds I like in the NBA.

Rim protector big.
Stretch big/forward that can iso.
Point forward.
Breakdown defense / triple threat guard
POA defender / 3+D / collapse defense

Then I like:

Rim protector
Point forward
First option forward
3+D+Help defense
Playing making pick and roll guard

The better discussion is what isn't necessary. I'd say that's PF and SG.
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#25 » by YogurtProducer » Sat Nov 8, 2025 2:58 am

Thaddy wrote:There are two builds I like in the NBA.

Rim protector big.
Stretch big/forward that can iso.
Point forward.
Breakdown defense / triple threat guard
POA defender / 3+D / collapse defense

Then I like:

Rim protector
Point forward
First option forward
3+D+Help defense
Playing making pick and roll guard

The better discussion is what isn't necessary. I'd say that's PF and SG.

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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#26 » by Thaddy » Sat Nov 8, 2025 3:19 am

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Thaddy wrote:There are two builds I like in the NBA.

Rim protector big.
Stretch big/forward that can iso.
Point forward.
Breakdown defense / triple threat guard
POA defender / 3+D / collapse defense

Then I like:

Rim protector
Point forward
First option forward
3+D+Help defense
Playing making pick and roll guard

The better discussion is what isn't necessary. I'd say that's PF and SG.

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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#27 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Nov 8, 2025 10:47 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:I don't know if it's the most necessary but it's definitely up there. Watching my Spurs try to function with no real primary ball handler since Harper went down has been painful. Castle is not a PG. We desperately need Fox back ASAP
Shams said Fox gonna make his season debut tomorrow.

Oh sweet baby jesus HALLELUJAH :D
Castle heard you say he's not a PG and dished out 13 assists tonight, lol
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#28 » by f l u r p » Sat Nov 8, 2025 11:04 am

According to our GM, the most important role on the team is a 268 lb dude in street clothes.
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#29 » by durden_tyler » Sat Nov 8, 2025 11:08 am

i think this is a given. It's like quarterbacks in football, you just won't have an efficient team if you don't have a high IQ game manager/on-court leader.
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Re: Primary ball handler is the most necessary position 

Post#30 » by eyriq » Sat Nov 8, 2025 1:22 pm

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Black Jack wrote:Maybe not most valuable but most necessary ie you need one is "primary ball handler". Teams that don't have one or two primary ball handler types are just not going to win anything.

Okay you have 7 footers and huge wings but if you don't have someone that can bring the ball up the court against pressure who's going to get them shots where they want them?

And now, you HAVE to be able to shoot too as on ball guy or they just collapse the key on you when you try to score. Guys like Ja are easy to game plan for in the playoffs especially with weak shooters on the roster.

Scorers ultimately are the stars but you need a ball handler on the court.


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