Jokic leads this decade in total pts, rebounds, assists, steals

[dhsilv2]

There are 3 locks for top 15 players all time playing right now -

Curry, Lebron and Jokic…

KD bubble- Harden ain’t it- Westbrook in 20 years may be a hero to guys that didn’t see him live and get in on stats, Giannis and SGA and Tatum and Luka and Wemby have significantly more work to do…

Jokic is a lock top 15 all time

How much more work do you think Giannis needs? I would say he's right in that 20-25 range already at worst.

[Blame Rasho]

He is a mofo.

[CobraCommander]

There are 3 locks for top 15 players all time playing right now -

Curry, Lebron and Jokic…

KD bubble- Harden ain’t it- Westbrook in 20 years may be a hero to guys that didn’t see him live and get in on stats, Giannis and SGA and Tatum and Luka and Wemby have significantly more work to do…

Jokic is a lock top 15 all time

How much more work do you think Giannis needs? I would say he's right in that 20-25 range already at worst.

I think he needs another ring- think of Kobe, Shaq and Duncan pretty much ruining any objectivity about rings...those guys all have a multiple chips...so you either so good that 1 ring is all you need or you need to have stats and rings. I do think giannis is in the 20-25 range...but he is just being lapped by Jokic right now...and its making giannis numbers look pedestrian when they are actually otherworldly

[dhsilv2]

There are 3 locks for top 15 players all time playing right now -

Curry, Lebron and Jokic…

KD bubble- Harden ain’t it- Westbrook in 20 years may be a hero to guys that didn’t see him live and get in on stats, Giannis and SGA and Tatum and Luka and Wemby have significantly more work to do…

Jokic is a lock top 15 all time

How much more work do you think Giannis needs? I would say he's right in that 20-25 range already at worst.

I think he needs another ring- think of Kobe, Shaq and Duncan pretty much ruining any objectivity about rings...those guys all have a multiple chips...so you either so good that 1 ring is all you need or you need to have stats and rings. I do think giannis is in the 20-25 range...but he is just being lapped by Jokic right now...and its making giannis numbers look pedestrian when they are actually otherworldly

That doesn't sound like "significantly" more work to do. All be it, I have no idea how the man gets a ring if you're counting rangz. I would think the guys he would most need to clearly pass are West and Oscar who both just have the 1. After that...he's right there for the top 15.

[CobraCommander]

How much more work do you think Giannis needs? I would say he's right in that 20-25 range already at worst.

I think he needs another ring- think of Kobe, Shaq and Duncan pretty much ruining any objectivity about rings...those guys all have a multiple chips...so you either so good that 1 ring is all you need or you need to have stats and rings. I do think giannis is in the 20-25 range...but he is just being lapped by Jokic right now...and its making giannis numbers look pedestrian when they are actually otherworldly

That doesn't sound like "significantly" more work to do. All be it, I have no idea how the man gets a ring if you're counting rangz. I would think the guys he would most need to clearly pass are West and Oscar who both just have the 1. After that...he's right there for the top 15.

fair, but honestly I think people see him as one dimensional even though his numbers are amazing. he is like skinny shaq with less rings...and honestly Jokic just outshines him by so much that he is a distant second over this era and without more rings I think he will be considered less than,

[dhsilv2]

I think he needs another ring- think of Kobe, Shaq and Duncan pretty much ruining any objectivity about rings...those guys all have a multiple chips...so you either so good that 1 ring is all you need or you need to have stats and rings. I do think giannis is in the 20-25 range...but he is just being lapped by Jokic right now...and its making giannis numbers look pedestrian when they are actually otherworldly

That doesn't sound like "significantly" more work to do. All be it, I have no idea how the man gets a ring if you're counting rangz. I would think the guys he would most need to clearly pass are West and Oscar who both just have the 1. After that...he's right there for the top 15.

fair, but honestly I think people see him as one dimensional even though his numbers are amazing. he is like skinny shaq with less rings...and honestly Jokic just outshines him by so much that he is a distant second over this era and without more rings I think he will be considered less than,

One dimensional? He's a guy scoring 30 a game while having won a DPOY award. And he's an ok passer. He's got his flaws, but we got people crapping on Lebron for his finals record. But we're going to be West's finals record ahead of Giannis or Oscars just lackluster playoff resume (especially if you drop the years with Kareem) over him? I mean right now I am because I think both had better careers. But if he keeps his game up, I think he'll have a very compelling argument.

[Cavsfansince84]

One dimensional? He's a guy scoring 30 a game while having won a DPOY award. And he's an ok passer. He's got his flaws, but we got people crapping on Lebron for his finals record. But we're going to be West's finals record ahead of Giannis or Oscars just lackluster playoff resume (especially if you drop the years with Kareem) over him? I mean right now I am because I think both had better careers. But if he keeps his game up, I think he'll have a very compelling argument.

Ya, I'd say that Giannis is going to land somewhere in the top 20 when he is done. He got his ring, 2x mvp, 1x dpoy, 7x top 4 in mvp voting. He is going to be right there with guys like KD, Dirk and DRob. Still only about to turn 31 also.

[dhsilv2]

One dimensional? He's a guy scoring 30 a game while having won a DPOY award. And he's an ok passer. He's got his flaws, but we got people crapping on Lebron for his finals record. But we're going to be West's finals record ahead of Giannis or Oscars just lackluster playoff resume (especially if you drop the years with Kareem) over him? I mean right now I am because I think both had better careers. But if he keeps his game up, I think he'll have a very compelling argument.

Ya, I'd say that Giannis is going to land somewhere in the top 20 when he is done. He got his ring, 2x mvp, 1x dpoy, 7x top 4 in mvp voting. He is going to be right there with guys like KD, Dirk and DRob. Still only about to turn 31 also.

Dirk in terms of modern guys is who I think he'll peak at passing. Depending on where you are with KD...who I'd have behind dirk. There's a great argument for RObinson being underrated here but while I think his detractors have horrible arguments. He was himself flawed. Just not the way people made him out to be.

[CobraCommander]

That doesn't sound like "significantly" more work to do. All be it, I have no idea how the man gets a ring if you're counting rangz. I would think the guys he would most need to clearly pass are West and Oscar who both just have the 1. After that...he's right there for the top 15.

fair, but honestly I think people see him as one dimensional even though his numbers are amazing. he is like skinny shaq with less rings...and honestly Jokic just outshines him by so much that he is a distant second over this era and without more rings I think he will be considered less than,

One dimensional? He's a guy scoring 30 a game while having won a DPOY award. And he's an ok passer. He's got his flaws, but we got people crapping on Lebron for his finals record. But we're going to be West's finals record ahead of Giannis or Oscars just lackluster playoff resume (especially if you drop the years with Kareem) over him? I mean right now I am because I think both had better careers. But if he keeps his game up, I think he'll have a very compelling argument.

he isn't one dimensional! he is perceived as it because Jokic is so crazy good!