Serious Subject: Social Races and Basketball

[wigglestrue]

Huh?

The magnitudes are about the same, dude!

[The_Pope]

Huh?

The magnitudes are about the same, dude!

What? You made some spurious point about the slight advantage only being noticeable at the very highest level and I countered by saying that we're having a discussion about sport at the very highest level.

[maradro]

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Well yeah, but we're discussing professional sports.

in one particular competition that favors one singular slight advantage

that's the beauty of team sports, specifically, ball sports (basketball, football, soccer, volleyball, etc). there are multiple abilities involved, many of which dont have anything to do with physical ability and everything to do with THE GAME.

if the 100m race is the only competition we can establish a genetic advantage for, i'd say that is marginal evidence to conclude that genetics is the main reason for a larger proportion of black to white basketball players. (and for that matter, if it were a matter of genetics, then why arent african americans dominating every sport- football, hockey, tennis, volleyball, rugby, soccer, etc etc?)

[wigglestrue]

What? You made some spurious point about the slight advantage only being noticeable at the very highest level and I countered by saying that we're having a discussion about sport at the very highest level.

I think it's your reading comprehension that's spurious, dude.

that's the beauty of team sports, specifically, ball sports (basketball, football, soccer, volleyball, etc). there are multiple abilities involved, many of which dont have anything to do with physical ability and everything to do with THE GAME.

ABSOLUTELY!

if the 100m race is the only competition we can establish a genetic advantage for, i'd say that is marginal evidence to conclude that genetics is the main reason for a larger proportion of black to white basketball players. (and for that matter, if it were a matter of genetics, then why arent african americans dominating every sport- football, hockey, tennis, volleyball, rugby, soccer, etc etc?)

The 100m race is not the only competition, though. The point is that the average fast-twitch advantage exists to a small degree in any sport in which explosiveness is a useful thing, like basketball. Not the only useful thing, not by a long shot, as you pointed out. But one of them, a very useful thing at that. But no matter what, again: There's no way in hell genetics is anything remotely close to the main reason. Again: If you transplanted all white people into the black environment of the last 35-40 years, and vice versa, the NHL would be almost entirely black, and most starting fives in the NBA would be white.

[CatNation]

so tiger woods is the greatest golfer of all time because hes got the mind of an asian and the body of a black guy? cmon now, it has nothing to do with the fact that he started when he was like 2 years old and is an extremely hard worker?

really, basketball is dominated by african amercians because they start playing at a younger age amd focus on that sport more, where I, as a white guy, when I was younger we all played soccer and baseball way before basketball.

so are white europeans and south americans non athletic too? they are starting to take over the league..gasol nowitzki ginobili peja klezia etc have all shown they can keep up..easily.

honestly i believe there are not really difference between races..but there are differences WITHIN races. u have guys like nash who are very intelligent but not athletic (as in throwing down 360s etc) and are white, but there are guys that are black that fit this same description. i havent seen eric snow ever throw down a jam or run exceptionally fast. but he is very smart. then you have white guys that are pretty athletic but also not that smart: see chris anderson.

the ratio of blacks to whites in the nba is probably equal to the ratio of blacks to whites who have worked hard since childhood with the focus of becoming an nba basketball player

[Kunlun]

It's much easier and cheaper to play basketball then it is to play any other sport. That is why it is such a global sport. You just need a hoop and a ball.

Many black people are poor and can't afford to play other sports as much.

[Nothingface]

I think they are more genetically stronger and faster.

No, blacks usually are faster and more athletic. Whites are stronger and have better endurance. Basketball is a game that relies on the former attributes.

[Mr. Savage]

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No, blacks usually are faster and more athletic. Whites are stronger and have better endurance. Basketball is a game that relies on the former attributes.

tell that with the endurance to the kenyan long distance runners.

[Nothingface]

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tell that with the endurance to the kenyan long distance runners.

They are a different type of black. Really, this is all known stuff... (different areas of Africa)

[wigglestrue]

so tiger woods is the greatest golfer of all time because hes got the mind of an asian and the body of a black guy? cmon now, it has nothing to do with the fact that he started when he was like 2 years old and is an extremely hard worker?

really, basketball is dominated by african amercians because they start playing at a younger age amd focus on that sport more, where I, as a white guy, when I was younger we all played soccer and baseball way before basketball.

so are white europeans and south americans non athletic too? they are starting to take over the league..gasol nowitzki ginobili peja klezia etc have all shown they can keep up..easily.

honestly i believe there are not really difference between races..but there are differences WITHIN races. u have guys like nash who are very intelligent but not athletic (as in throwing down 360s etc) and are white, but there are guys that are black that fit this same description. i havent seen eric snow ever throw down a jam or run exceptionally fast. but he is very smart. then you have white guys that are pretty athletic but also not that smart: see chris anderson.

the ratio of blacks to whites in the nba is probably equal to the ratio of blacks to whites who have worked hard since childhood with the focus of becoming an nba basketball player

Okay, I've reached the point of diminishing returns, where I've provided the OP and certain other participants with a bounty of useful insight, but will be forced to keep saying **** like "Did you even read my posts???" to people like this Sueko dude. Take care, politically incorrect General NBA Discussion thread!

[Cassius]

Facts and statistics aren't racist.

The average Asian American IQ is approximately 120; The average American white IQ is approximately 100; the average American black IQ is approximately 85.

not that having higher IQs necessarily means smarter.

I think that the athletic dominance of African Americans and the poor IQ ratings of African Americans go hand in hand with the result of slavery, segregation and the current relative neglect suffered by this race in the US.

African Americans were bred for speed and strength and until the last 50 or so years weren't even getting basic education. Most of us should admit that the role parents play in early childhood education is very significant, so it should not be surprising that the IQ scores end up low.

In addition, I would argue that there is an inherent bias in the testing of average IQ scores across races. I would infer (correct me if I'm wrong) that the majority of Asians who came to the US arrived with a family structure in place and a trade or skill with which to earn money or they would not have been admitted entry in the first place.

Of course the scores for white Americans averages to 100 (or average), white people wrote the test!

Meanwhile, a large percentage of African Americans would not be admitted to the US based on their current educational and economic standing (the reason why is a whole other discussion) and thus pull the IQ scores down.

[Cassius]

They are a different type of black. Really, this is all known stuff... (different areas of Africa)

I think that everyone is lumping the entire continent together as if differences cannot occur in people with the same-coloured skin. I don't think people understand how far Nigeria is from Kenya geographically, historically, culturally and physiologically.

Meanwhile, the Germans and the Italians are a stones throw away from each other, but are a clearly different people.

[Taiwan Killa]

wiggletrue thanks for the insite, I enjoyed reading your posts in this thread.