Gilbert Crushes Calderon

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Some stats and perspective, courtesy of dagger. Jose is simply awesome.
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It cracks me up how many guys are flipping out over Gilberts comment, but let's be real here, Calderon hasn't done **** yet in the league.

He's having himself a great season so far, but to me that's not what being an All-Star is all about. It's about doing it consistently great year in and year out, or doing it exceptionally and Calderon has done neither.

The league is littered with guys that did it for a year or two only to disappear from the face of the earth. Heck not too long ago Hughes was up for consideration had it not been for his injury.

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Who's saying that Calderon is the best PG in the league?

Most Raptors fans are acknowledging that Calderon is borderline all-star this year; and due to injuries is someone who should seriously be considered for a reserve spot.

The outcry stems from the manner that Gilbert has approached this and basically lambasted Calderon for having a great season, and a historic one for PG's.

Gilbert's an idiot if he thinks that Calderon is 20 years away from an all-star spot. It's Gilbert that makes himself look like an idiot in this whole debacle. And it's clear that he's wrong about Calderon, and probably even wrong on what it means to be an all-star.

The lack of class that Gilbert has shown and lack of respect he's clearly displayed for a fellow NBA player is, frankly, disgusting.

That said, i don't understand the counter-argumentation from some Wiz fans, in thinking some think Gilbert sucks.

He's def. not a Top 20 player, in my book, and a lot of other fans' as well. He's also not someone who i would want running my point, since he's not a true PG.

With that said, he's a very good player, but much more one-dimensional than Calderon.

Out of all of this though, Gilbert is wrong and the manner in which he presents his point is disgusting and should warrant an apology by him to Calderon.

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It cracks me up how many guys are flipping out over Gilberts comment, but let's be real here, Calderon hasn't done **** yet in the league.

He's having himself a great season so far, but to me that's not what being an All-Star is all about. It's about doing it consistently great year in and year out, or doing it exceptionally and Calderon has done neither.

The league is littered with guys that did it for a year or two only to disappear from the face of the earth. Heck not too long ago Hughes was up for consideration had it not been for his injury.

But don't you see? Generally (not always, but generally) the guys who have one or two amazing seasons and then fade back into reality are players that end up putting up points. How often do they have amazing seasons based on statistics that demand consistency? That is the point of the acclaim that is being given to Calderon. Players who consistently improve like he do, are not the exception, since it's hard to regress from two years of constant improvement. Not just that, but the stats that he's putting up are the definition of a particular style of play, and a particular level of BBIQ. The BBIQ and style that he plays, which lead to his numbers, can only be described as innate ability, and not something that is flukey. You can't really put up record numbers in AS/TO without doing it consistently. And the fact that he was putting up great numbers in the same categories he's dominating in this year, last year, indicate that this season is not a fluke.

Also, where does it say that you need to consistently put up the same numbers for years to be considered for an all-star game? If that were the case, then you would never have any second or third year players qualifying for all-stars. Being an all-star is based on what you do during the current season. So, even if Calderon's season is flukey, that shouldn't negate him from being considered an all-star this year.

I think too many people, including Gilbert Arenas, are confusing the notion of being an all-star with being a perennial all-star.

Is Calderon an all-star this year? That's highly debatable. But a legitimate debate based on the CURRENT season he's having.

Is Calderon a perennial all-star? Obviously not since this is the first year his name has come up for all-star consideration. But if he were to make the all-star game this year and not next year, then there could be legitimate debate on whether Calderon is really just a good player having a great year, this year.

If Calderon were to make the all-star game this year and next year, then there would be no question that he's an all-star player, and possibly perennial all-star, if he were able to put up similar numbers continuously.

If people were to abide by the criterion that Gilbert Arenas has put up, then players like T-Mac, Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, et al would ever have made the all-star game their first amazing year since they'd not have proven anything.

It's silly logic on Gilbert Arenas' part, frankly.

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Gilbert's an idiot if he thinks that Calderon is 20 years away from an all-star spot. It's Gilbert that makes himself look like an idiot in this whole debacle. And it's clear that he's wrong about Calderon, and probably even wrong on what it means to be an all-star.

Yawn.

Quite frankly I think you're an idiot if you take what Arenas said literally without stepping back for a second and realizing that what he said was hyperbole.

Calderon is showing great potential and is playing at a high level now, but that doesn't mean jack if he isn't going to consistently do it or even improve on where he's at.

It took Parker 5 years to get there and Nash 3 years on a good Mavericks team. Somebody like Rod Strickland, whom he compares to numbers wise at this stage of his career, did it over his entire career and never even got one shot.

In the NBA 3-5 years may very well be an eternity and that's precisely the point that Arenas has made.

[queridiculo]

But don't you see? Generally (not always, but generally) the guys who have one or two amazing seasons and then fade back into reality are players that end up putting up points. How often do they have amazing seasons based on statistics that demand consistency? That is the point of the acclaim that is being given to Calderon.

I've read that sentence over and over again and it just doesn't parse for me. What are you trying to say?

Players who consistently improve like he do, are not the exception, since it's hard to regress from two years of constant improvement.

Actually they are the exception, I can't belive you've been watching the NBA all this time and don't realize this.

Not just that, but the stats that he's putting up are the definition of a particular style of play, and a particular level of BBIQ. The BBIQ and style that he plays, which lead to his numbers, can only be described as innate ability, and not something that is flukey. You can't really put up record numbers in AS/TO without doing it consistently. And the fact that he was putting up great numbers in the same categories he's dominating in this year, last year, indicate that this season is not a fluke.

My previous post that mentions Nash, Parker and Strickland is prima facie evidence that this is precisely the standard for point guards.

If people were to abide by the criterion that Gilbert Arenas has put up, then players like T-Mac, Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, et al would ever have made the all-star game their first amazing year since they'd not have proven anything.

You might want to exclude Nash and McCrady on this one since it took them 6 and 4 years respectively to make it and they had proven plenty at that point.

If you read my post I also mention that my personal criteria is either an exceptional season, for which Carter, Jordan and Kidd clearly qualify, or consistently great performance.

Now please take an honest look at the list that you compiled, think back to how amazing those guys played and tell me with a straight face that Calderon compares.

You can't, and if you tell me he does you're a flat out liar or haven't followed the NBA closely when it happened.