Mavs, Nets Close On A New Deal For Kidd

LakerFanMan · Post #21 » by **LakerFanMan** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:22 am

They get an all star PG for devin harris, 2 picks, diop, and a couple of bad contracts. It's really not bad at all. They trade Harris, diop, and a couple of guys who never play for Jason Kidd. They also get to keep stack and george for a little bench depth. Not bad at all.

panacea · Post #22 » by **panacea** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:28 am

LakerFanMan wrote:They get an all star PG for devin harris, 2 picks, diop, and a couple of bad contracts. It's really not bad at all. They trade Harris, diop, and a couple of guys who never play for Jason Kidd. They also get to keep stack and george for a little bench depth. Not bad at all.

I don't see how this deal takes them over the top. And when their window inevitably closes, without them winning a ring (which it will) - what do they do? They'll have no draft picks, no money under the cap. They're mortgaging their future for something that I don't think is likely to happen.

But the first thing they need to do is find a center, but that's easier said than done.

JordansBulls · Post #23 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:44 am

Much better deal for Dallas.

jourdy · Post #24 » by **jourdy** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:48 am

I may be the only fan that sees Devin being a great player in the league someday. Right now he's racking 14.4/5.3 despite being the 4th option. It's funny since a season ago, people were LOLing how Harris got a big contract, yet he's improved his jump shots, particularly his 3ball. He's also the best defensive PG the Mavs have had as far as I can remember.

Losing Harris is painful enough, but losing both Harris and Diop is begging for a San Antonio beatdown. IMO, the only reason the Mavs have a quasi-advantage over SA before was because Harris is one of the few players that could guard Tony Parker, and Diop could somewhat guard Duncan. I have no idea how Kidd would respond by being traded to Dallas, but I do hope he brings leadership and great passing.

I was opposed to this trade at first, but somehow managed to accept it. Now I'm excited, seeing that the Mavs had little chance with their current roster to win the West. It's not like the Mavs will be trash after 2 or 3 years. Dirk and Josh Howard are still young, and Dallas has stayed relevant ever since Mark Cuban arrived due to great picks and trades. I definitely hope Dallas gets a Center somewhere.

Post #25 » by **kno** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:55 am

My preview of Kidd in Dallas (do they even use these unis still? lol)

panacea · Post #26 » by **panacea** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:04 am

So does Van Horn actually have to play or just take a physical?

dacher · Post #27 » by **dacher** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:18 am

Only in the NBA can you get a brand new $4 million contract to not do anything. :crazy:

Okay, it could happen elsewhere, but in any other another industry it would be a crime.

Rand10 · Post #28 » by **Rand10** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:19 am

Van Horn would have to show up and sit on the end of the bench for the rest of the year. I believe that's what McKie is doing in Memphis.

LakerFanMan · Post #29 » by **LakerFanMan** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:19 am

LOL Van Horn has to be loving this. He's getting paid for doing nothing.

Buck4Life · Post #30 » by **Buck4Life** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:20 am

Im praying a deal becomes official by halftime of the all star game, and than someone lets kidd know..that'd be a scence to watch

Birth of the Cool · Post #31 » by **Birth of the Cool** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:25 am

Is anyone surprised about this "sudden" development.
I'll be shocked if Thursday rolls around & Kidd is still in NJ.

I had a feeling things would suddenly resolve themselves AFTER the All-Star game where the NBA wouldn't have to make decisions on how a Kidd trade would affect the All-Star game. Once it's over things will move forward w/ this trade and both teams can finally move on.

Blame Rasho · Post #32 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:57 am

I am still puzzled by this trade. Kidd is an open court player and the Mavs as of late play a real slow pace game. In my opinion it would have been better served for the Mavs to trade for Carter given that he can actually get to the rack and is a respectable ball hander/passer and outside threat. I think those are the things that the Mavs need more so than an aging point guard who can't shoot and d has quickly fallen off. Sometimes I feel teams make trades to just make trades and this one of those times. Perhaps I am wrong but I think the Mavs are a better team with Harris, Diop and company.

Sofa King · Post #33 » by **Sofa King** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:04 am

Iceburg Slim wrote:Where would Carter go?

I'll tell you where he won't go. :lol:

dirkules_41 · Post #34 » by **dirkules_41** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:44 am

TD is the MAN wrote:I am still puzzled by this trade. Kidd is an open court player and the Mavs as of late play a real slow pace game. In my opinion it would have been better served for the Mavs to trade for Carter given that he can actually get to the rack and is a respectable ball hander/passer and outside threat. I think those are the things that the Mavs need more so than an aging point guard who can't shoot and d has quickly fallen off. Sometimes I feel teams make trades to just make trades and this one of those times. Perhaps I am wrong but I think the Mavs are a better team with Harris, Diop and company.

I totally agree with you. I was hoping that Cuban would make a move for Carter since he seemed to be as available as Kidd is. And he just seemed to fill the needs...but well...now it appears to be too late so I'll just have to live with having a hof-dinosaur handling the point and the Mavs still not having a legit SG. We'll see how and if it works out...

Post #35 » by **Rooster** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:32 am

TD is the MAN wrote:I am still puzzled by this trade. Kidd is an open court player and the Mavs as of late play a real slow pace game. In my opinion it would have been better served for the Mavs to trade for Carter given that he can actually get to the rack and is a respectable ball hander/passer and outside threat. I think those are the things that the Mavs need more so than an aging point guard who can't shoot and d has quickly fallen off. Sometimes I feel teams make trades to just make trades and this one of those times. Perhaps I am wrong but I think the Mavs are a better team with Harris, Diop and company.

What Kidd is is a tough rebounding PG who has two years of Finals experience and is a leader. The Mavericks could use that.

Harris has a bad contract ($42M/5yrs starting this year for 5.3APG/2.38TPG) and Diop would have to be re-upped in the offseason so he might bolt anyway. Mavericks picks will not be worth much. Hassell has a semi-bad contract. Kidd expires in '09 so this is a shrewd deal imo.

For the Nets, since they're now getting the expiring KVH instead of Stack's buyout situation, may as well!

DubOverdose · Post #36 » by **DubOverdose** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:50 am

Rooster wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What Kidd is is a tough rebounding PG who has two years of Finals experience and is a leader. The Mavericks could use that.

Harris has a bad contract ($42M/5yrs starting this year for 5.3APG/2.38TPG) and Diop would have to be re-upped in the offseason so he might bolt anyway. Mavericks picks will not be worth much. Hassell has a semi-bad contract. Kidd expires in '09 so this is a shrewd deal imo.

For the Nets, since they're now getting the expiring KVH instead of Stack's buyout situation, may as well!

Dunno what rock you've been living under, but Harris' deal is great considering his age and skill level.

dacher · Post #37 » by **dacher** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:51 am

Most importantly for Dallas, Kidd ups his game in the playoffs.

The playoffs are a whole other level of basketball. Like the step-up from College/Euro ball to the NBA. You are never certain how well a player will handle the transition until it happens.

Some players perform the same in playoffs as in the regular season. Some worse. Some better. The star players that perform even better in the playoffs are the true superstars.

Post #38 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:57 am

Devean George... How many millions did he cost Cuban for not wanting to move 3 month early?

LOL.

It's gotta be close to 10mil. Doesn't it? When you figure in the luxury tax and all the other changes to the deal?

I'm sure his agent thought he had some leverage to get a promise on an extention, but, it looks like he was overestimating his ability to force Cuban's hand.

I'll be surprised if he ever plays for Dallas again, except maybe for some humiliating garbage minutes.

Post #39 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:21 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Devean George... How many millions did he cost Cuban for not wanting to move 3 month early?

LOL.

It's gotta be close to 10mil. Doesn't it? When you figure in the luxury tax and all the other changes to the deal?

I'm sure his agent thought he had some leverage to get a promise on an extention, but, it looks like he was overestimating his ability to force Cuban's hand.

I'll be surprised if he ever plays for Dallas again, except maybe for some humiliating garbage minutes.

Exactly. This is a TERRIBLE development for George, and really makes you wonder just how dumb he is. Did he really think he was going to get that 5 mil he wanted after being the only road block in a trade for Jason Kidd? Now that the trade's gone on without him, he's going to be a social pariah in that locker room.