Theo waived...Pistons will sign Ratliff

LakersSquad · Post #21 » by **LakersSquad** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:51 am

Great pickup all they need is 9 mins per game from him.

Hunter · Post #22 » by **Hunter** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:05 am

Cheap insurance, nothing more. I doubt he'll actually get rotation minutes. But should Sheed get ejected or we get into foul trouble it'll be nice to have a vet bigman back there to help protect the rim. And in some matchups he may get a few spot minutes.

It was him or Dale Davis and I guess Dumars decided that Ratliff had a bit more left in the tank. The Pistons have absolutely no use for both of them.

7r5ur · Post #23 » by **7r5ur** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:29 am

He's the 5th big. I would be very surprised if he was an every day player.

Post #24 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:38 am

Hunter wrote:
It was him or Dale Davis and I guess Dumars decided that Ratliff had a bit more left in the tank. The Pistons have absolutely no use for both of them.

I disagree, especially in the postseason against the Cavs. Having the ability to rotate two different bigs through the 5 spot would be of incredible significance, particularly because of the strength of Cleveland's front line.

Commando 29 wrote:If Dixon is used as a 2 guard, and his shot is falling, then he can be a very useful player. If his shot is not falling, get him outta the game and leave him on the bench. And playing him alongside Stuckey would be a smarter idea so that Dixon can guard the pg and Stuckey the sg.

And if my shot's falling, I look like Larry Bird when I play pick up. But Dixon is one of the dumbest players I've ever seen and he's a streaky shooter. He needs time to heat up, and that's time better spent giving more worthy players the minutes they need.

However, Juan Dixon should never, ever, ever be used as a point guard. If he is, expect that lead to freefall . . . and expect to get frustrated and get sudden urges to throw things at the tv . .

Well, that's a lesson every team learned VERY quickly and hasn't been an issue. He's an undersized 2 who isn't an elite athlete and he shoots too much. He's also quite inefficient, about 3% under league average in TS on his career. He's -27.5 WSAA on his career and hasn't had a season where he's been EVEN in this category, always below average. Inefficient, weak-D chuckers are like that. He had some moments in Washington and Portland but that's precisely what they were, moments. You're better off giving the ball to Hayes and asking him to play the 2.

Post #25 » by **crackjack** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:40 am

The combination of Brezec and Nesterovic are forcing teams to stock up on big men.

Post #26 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:51 am

crackjack wrote:The combination of Brezec and Nesterovic are forcing teams to stock up on big men.

Fiercesome... deadly...

*snicker*

God, gangsta Slovenians are so funny, though...

Hunter · Post #27 » by **Hunter** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:07 am

tsherkin wrote:I disagree, especially in the postseason against the Cavs. Having the ability to rotate two different bigs through the 5 spot would be of incredible significance, particularly because of the strength of Cleveland's front line.

We wouldn't even have that many bigs on the active roster. You really aren't making a lot of sense. We didn't even play Dale last year, but you think we'd find minutes for both him AND Ratliff this year?

What every Piston fan seems to understand and what you are not quite getting is that not only is rotating both Dale & Ratliff undesirable but it's actually a sign of the apocalypse. We don't want to see either of these guys playing and if you'd watched more than a handful of Piston games this year you might understand why.

It boggles my mind that you actually think playing both guys is a good idea. Davis hasn't played all year after hardly playing the previous two. Ratliff has played 12 games the previous 2 seasons. IF we actually had to play both these guys it means we're already so far in it that we might as well just start preparing for next year.

Seriously, if the difference between us winning or losing is which guy we have on the floor for a particular situation then we have far bigger problems. We're talking about the 5th bigman here. Somebody to replace Brezec at the end of the bench.

Sub-Zero · Post #28 » by **Sub-Zero** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:21 am

he will help us in the long run against the wests bigs if we get there

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #29 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:58 am

Very solid pickup

Point forward · Post #30 » by **Point forward** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:00 am

crackjack wrote:The combination of Brezec and Nesterovic are forcing teams to stock up on big men.

Anyway, *IF* Theo is healthy, he is a great addition for the Pistons. A while ago they had like 0 centers but a half dozen PFs.

Lockdown · Post #31 » by **Lockdown** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:15 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Fiercesome... deadly...

...some might even say formidable. Do you know what that means, Boston?

Phobo_Phile · Post #32 » by **Phobo_Phile** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:43 pm

Thank goodness. Ratliff>Davis easily in my book. Of course I've always had a soft spot for Theo

a-rod · Post #33 » by **a-rod** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:47 pm

Ballings7 wrote:Wow, didn't expect that, good pick-up by Detroit!

As has been said and from what I've seen, when healthy this season, played very effectively. He can still go.

Pistons definitely got their center situation addressed.

Got to love all these moves, specifically between Boston and Detroit lately... Dixon, PJ Brown, Cassell, now Theo Ratliff. I can't wait for that series, and their next game in March. Going to be some seriously good basketball there.

They might do better. I

Liqourish · Post #34 » by **Liqourish** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:59 pm

Well in Detroit case, we're talking about insurance piece over guys who complained about playing time and wanted out, Brezec and Murray. IMO, Dixon/Ratliff > Murray/Brezec.

Signing Juan Dixon and Theo Ratliff doesn't really affect the chemistry of the Pistons because they aren't going to be rotation players. Theo was brought on for playoff depth at center. And Dixon is an expiring contract that will be the 5th guard off the bench and only used in the playoffs for certain matchups, if that.

But I agree with you about bringing in players this late in the game and worrying about messing with chemistry. Sometimes players fit right in, sometimes they don't. It's really a crap shoot.

Post #35 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:25 pm

Hunter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We wouldn't even have that many bigs on the active roster. You really aren't making a lot of sense. We didn't even play Dale last year, but you think we'd find minutes for both him AND Ratliff this year?

Not in the regular season, no. He'd be entirely a backup plan, potential depth.

What every Piston fan seems to understand and what you are not quite getting is that not only is rotating both Dale & Ratliff undesirable but it's actually a sign of the apocalypse. We don't want to see either of these guys playing and if you'd watched more than a handful of Piston games this year you might understand why.

I'd have no interest in putting him into the regular rotation either...

It boggles my mind that you actually think playing both guys is a good idea. Davis hasn't played all year after hardly playing the previous two. Ratliff has played 12 games the previous 2 seasons. IF we actually had to play both these guys it means we're already so far in it that we might as well just start preparing for next year.

I'm well aware of that, I'm looking at this going "What happens if Lebron James craps all over Detroit's frontline again? What if Rasheed averages 4 fouls a game in the playoffs again?" That sort of thing.

More depth for scenarios like that is valuable, whether the guy gets minutes in any other game during the [post]season or not.

Ballings7 · Post #36 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:11 pm

a-rod wrote:They might do better. I

The Playoffs don't care about your Analytics