Shawn Marion, Nash MVPs, and the Suns.

NetsForce · Post #41 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:05 pm

If the Suns had traded Marion for his real value instead of half of his value they'd be in decent shape right now.

big123 · Post #42 » by **big123** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:11 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:I guess Pau Gasol is the MVP of the Lakers since the Kobes were nothing but an average team or worse for 3 years. Clearly Kobe does not deserve a sniff at the MVP.

LOL. I agree with you here. Gasol has been a beast since joining the Lakers and they've been on fire since. Everyone is playing better with Gasol there.

Gasol makes everyone better, but Kobe gets all the credit. Kobe has been playing well, but has he been that much better than he already was when the Lakers were not as great? Hell. I think with the break out of Bynum before Gasol were opening things up for Kobe. Kobe is Kobe though. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but Bymun and Gasol are the MVP's as well IMO.

RJM · Post #43 » by **RJM** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:13 pm

I feel that Marion's play will greatly shoot up once Riley turns over the reigns to Erik Spoelstra, who should in turn go for a more potent running offense.

Anticon · Post #44 » by **Anticon** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:40 pm

It's not so much this whole "Nash was the system" sort of argument.

It's that Nash was the perfect complement to Marion and Amare, and they played a style that suited their strengths individually and as a team. Nash wouldn't work in any system, so you're right on that.

And since the system was run out of the PG spot, and didn't exist until Nash came along, so Nash got a lot of the credit.

Did people underrate the importance of Marion? Of course. Steve Kerr is probably one of those people, but he's not a good enough GM to have built that Suns team in the first place, anyway.

But the order of importance for the Suns style was/is:

Nash
Marion
Amare

Post #45 » by **gswhoops** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:11 am

crzyyafrican wrote:It doesn't change my perspective at all, because Steve Nash never should have won either of those MVP's IMO.

In all reality, those two awards should have gone to....

2004-2005 Shaq
2005-2006 Kobe

Steve Nash has never even been a top 5 player in this league, let alone a "Most Valuable Player" by my criteria. His atrocious defense vastly reduces his overall value, IMO.

Agree with you 100%.

I don't want to sound like a bigot but if Steve Nash was black IMO he'd have 2 less MVP awards.

Shawn Marion, Nash MVPs, and the Suns.

If the Suns continue in their current funk, does the Marion trade change your perspective on Nash's two MVPs.