The cautionary tale of Gerald Green

[Nebroc]

What is this... another person commenting on his work ethic.

[Blame Rasho]

but anyone who thinks he was dedicated to working hard and improving his game from day one is full of it in my opinion.

Your opinion isn't really important... if you think he didn't work hard.

JR Smith is still in the NBA and it only due to his work ethic unlike Green. You quote something that was what, 2 or 3 years old? What are you trying to prove? That a rookie has a questionable work ethic. Good job, sadly that wasn't the first and only case of a highschooler having a bad work ethic coming into the NBA. How many have you found recently? None. No Denver fan or any fan in that matter except you perhaps would trade JR Smith for Green. If you put Green in his situation he doesn't all of a sudden become JR Smith. Jeez...

I would hope that being traded um 2 times(as filler and for money) would kinda signal to him that yeah I need to work hard. Right now he doesn't have a work ethic that is becoming of a NBA player. What is it that so hard to understand? Green has been a primadonna(trade request...lol) that has been surrounded by people that have pimped him so much that he actually believe that he can get by without hard work.

[eloper]

Is this really that hard to see? My god, you ignored basically everything I posted and only read what you want to see apparently.

-JR Smith had work ethic issues early on in his career
-Gerald Green has work ethic issues early on in his career
-JR Smith improved upon his work ethic after ending up in an improved situation.
-Gerald Green is capable of doing the same thing.

Yah, being traded two times as basically trash is the exact same thing that happened to JR, after he was criticized for his poor work ethic. And yet he managed to turn his career around, the same way Gerald can turn his career around if he wakes up like JR. I didn't say JR had a poor work ethic now, he's clearly turned it around, the same way Gerald can turn it around.

I don't think what I'm trying to say here is too complicated. I recognize Gerald's work ethic isn't great, and all I'm saying is that JR Smith was IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION. You're writing off Gerald, and you would have done the exact same thing with JR and been wrong about it.

All you seem interested in doing is twisting my words. You're trying to make it seem like I'm saying 2007-2008 Gerald is the same as 2007-2008 Smith, and that isn't what I'm talking about at all. The comparison I'm making is the 2005-2006 offseason Smith, who got traded twice for junk after sitting on his ass in New Orleans, to the Gerald Green that just went through basically the exact same thing.

Every comment you've made about Green in this thread was made about JR Smith two years ago.


(I was going to remove half of this, because it's all saying the same thing, but since you apparently don't read what I write anyways, I figured I might as well say the same thing 5 times and hope that it sunk in once)

[pr0wler]

It's too bad that having good hops is now the most important measure of being 'athletic'. I guess speed, strength, and quickness don't have as much merit as being able to jump high in regards to athleticism.

[Blame Rasho]

Is this really that hard to see? My god, you ignored basically everything I posted and only read what you want to see apparently.

-JR Smith had work ethic issues early on in his career
-Gerald Green has work ethic issues early on in his career
-JR Smith improved upon his work ethic after ending up in an improved situation.
-Gerald Green is capable of doing the same thing.

Yah, being traded two times as basically trash is the exact same thing that happened to JR, after he was criticized for his poor work ethic. And yet he managed to turn his career around, the same way Gerald can turn his career around if he wakes up like JR. I didn't say JR had a poor work ethic now, he's clearly turned it around, the same way Gerald can turn it around.

I don't think what I'm trying to say here is too complicated. I recognize Gerald's work ethic isn't great, and all I'm saying is that JR Smith was IN THE EXACT SAME SITUATION. You're writing off Gerald, and you would have done the exact same thing with JR and been wrong about it.

All you seem interested in doing is twisting my words. You're trying to make it seem like I'm saying 2007-2008 Gerald is the same as 2007-2008 Smith, and that isn't what I'm talking about at all. The comparison I'm making is the 2005-2006 offseason Smith, who got traded twice for junk after sitting on his ass in New Orleans, to the Gerald Green that just went through basically the exact same thing.

Every comment you've made about Green in this thread was made about JR Smith two years ago.


(I was going to remove half of this, because it's all saying the same thing, but since you apparently don't read what I write anyways, I figured I might as well say the same thing 5 times and hope that it sunk in once)

What have I ignored? Your biased opinion given that he need to be coddled and that his shortcomings are due to his situation? I would rather take the opinions of people like Doc Rivers and Paul Pierce.

Sitting on his ass in New Orleans? Really? He was a rotation player unlike Green. Sorry, getting mins on a team that was clearly tanking doesn't make you a rotation player. He(Smith) got traded for being on Scott doghouse first are foremost. He never asked for a trade unlike some player. You think the Spurs would want Smith or any player if he had a questionable work ethic? They traded for him that year, the paperwork just didn't go thru in time. Chicago already didn't want or need a young players like Smith given that they got rid of players like Curry and Chandler and moving towards a vet movement. All in all Smith isn't Green as much as you want to make it out to be.

I hope you realize that both Green and Smith are the same age... In fact Green was older coming into the NBA compared to Smith. One has matured and the other hasn't. What is so hard to understand? You know just because one player turned around doesn't mean your favorite player will turn it around.

I think it is incredible that you are still defending a player who has shown nothing in the NBA and has a piss poor work ethic that has been documented by many to top it off. It isn't like my logic is flawed or biased. You show nothing, expect nothing. He has yet to prove he is a NBA player much less a rotation player. I am not twisting your words, I just pointing out the flaws in your biased logic.

I am done... stay and defend him. It doesn't really matter.

[eloper]

-You've ignored half of what I said and attempted to twist my words...

-Like interpreting sitting on his ass as a reference to Smith not playing, when it is in fact a reference to him having a **** work ethic while a member of the Hornets (something you denied earlier but have yet to admit to)

-I stated that situation was partially to blame for Gerald's failures, but I admitted that such a view was bias on my part.

-Yah, the Spurs wanted Smith so he must have had a good work ethic! Lets ignore what Byron Scott said, and then bash me and accuse me of ignoring what Doc Rivers said about Gerald (which once again is ridiculous, because I've agreed that Gerald's work ethic is poor at this point). Refusing to acknowledge that Smith had a piss poor attitude/work ethic earlier in his career is asinine.

-Smith matured after being traded for **** and realizing his NBA career was on the line. Gerald has the opportunity to do the same. There's no reason to believe Smith could turn around his work ethic and believe that Gerald can't.

-Your logic has been every bit as biased as mine. You continually talk about all the strides Smith has made, yet ignore the basic, simple idea that Smith was in basically the same situation earlier in his career. You've refused to see the plain fact that a player's work ethic can improve.


I'm done with this, there's no point in going on when you're clearly going to ignore any logical argument that I make. I'll end on the same note I ended my previous post:

Every comment being made about Gerald Green right now was being made about JR Smith after he was dealt to the Nuggets. There is no reason to believe that Gerald can't turn his career around if he wakes up and starts working like JR did.

[mattyBoi]

Green's missing a finger!!!?? Thats cool as $hit lol Magic should sign based on that alone!!!!!!

[NO-KG-AI]

The thing is GG5, you said you refuse to believe he has work ethic issues.

He definitely has issues, if you want to believe it is going to develop, that is fine, but you have to remember, JR Smith was always a better ball handler, and was about 225 in his rookie year.

[Blame Rasho]

...

What have I twisted?

You have one quote from Scott that is it...

You posted this correct?

Doc was never high on Gerald, it isn't exactly a shock to see him bash Gerald

You know I can dismiss what Scott said as you did...

Scott was never high on Smith, it isn't exactly a shock to see him bash Smith.

Why can you do that, but I can't?

You also said this...

while the Chronicle article was purely speculation

Really? Is it pure speculation?

What about what Paul Pierce said... are you going to dismiss that as well? Is he not believable? I mean he only mentioned someone work ethic like 6 times.

You know as much as you want to paint Smith as a lazy bum while he was in New Orleans, he was a rotation player. How do you get playing time? You do it by not sitting on your ass. You show a great work ethic in practice. How is that not clear?

The fact is that it has come to light by and to everyone that he(Green) doesn't work hard enough to be a NBA basketball player. Is that not accurate?

There is a big difference between Green and Smith. People actually wanted Smith on their teams. There was/is no team that was itching to get Green. The fact that the Spurs wanted him speaks much higher than anything else that Green has been in the news about.

There is no reason to believe that just because Smith turned out good means that Green will turn out well. My logic isn't biased unlike yours when it surrounded by facts. Here is a fact : Green just isn't a good basketball player and to top it all off he has a piss poor work ethic. I would hope after being traded various times that it would don on him that things are earned and not given sense he has been surrounded by people glorifying him from day one. He has not proved anything in the NBA, so I shouldn't expect anything.

If you are done... great... so stop defending him.

Honestly I am not twisting your words when you say things like this...

I am not the one that is religiously defending a player who is out of the NBA due to his work ethic....

Obviously I'm bias and, no matter what, be unwilling to concede that Gerald has a bad work ethic.

[method]

Not surprising, i never understood the hype surrounding this idiot, the guys acts like it's an acomplishment that he can jump high. Maybe a few years of having Europeans knock him upside the head with boiling hot coins and a few double A batteries will smarten him up!!!

[NO-KG-AI]

Yeah, JR was our franchise player for a few months before we got Chris Paul, and he was playing huge minutes on a tanking team, Gerald can't even crack the rotation of bottom feeders.

I don't remember people questioning JR's work ethic, I remember them questioning his maturity, and his defensive intensity.

He was a lot more developed than GG coming in, and further developed his game.

[Lockdown]

I'm just gonna skip the last page of this thread because the crazy Gerald Green fundy guy is getting annoying.

Dude. Your favourite player is lazy and dumb as a brick and everybody knows it. Get over it already and ask the mods to change your name to a different player.

Or, spend the rest of your life coming up with silly rationalizations for multiple professional teams evaluating and not wanting Green that nobody else is going to trick themselves into believing like you seem to need to. This isn't a religion, you don't need to have "faith" here.

[wigglestrue]

Green does have work ethic and court awareness issues. He needs to figure some **** out before he gets back in the league, and I think going to Europe will help him do that (on offense, anyway) since most teams in the NBA don't have the time or patience or willingness to teach the kind of fundamentals Green lacks, to a type of immature player like Green. If he comes back to the NBA a more mature person, he can become a #2 or #3 option for somebody, maybe a #1 option if he really busts his ass.

[Chubby Chaser]

Green does have work ethic and court awareness issues. He needs to figure some **** out before he gets back in the league, and I think going to Europe will help him do that (on offense, anyway) since most teams in the NBA don't have the time or patience or willingness to teach the kind of fundamentals Green lacks, to a type of immature player like Green. If he comes back to the NBA a more mature person, he can become a #2 or #3 option for somebody, maybe a #1 option if he really busts his ass.

Lakers have the time and patience to take on a project like Green. We're good with projects.

[Serpo]

I think going to Europe will help him do that (on offense, anyway) since most teams in the NBA don't have the time or patience or willingness to teach the kind of fundamentals Green lacks, to a type of immature player like Green. .

Good European Team don't have time for that either , it's not like they're playing for nothing ....

If he goes to Europe with that kind of mentality he'll fail there very fast as well , i guarantee you that .

[wigglestrue]

Good European Team don't have time for that either , it's not like they're playing for nothing ....

If he goes to Europe with that kind of mentality he'll fail there very fast as well , i guarantee you that .

Well then, I guess he still has the NBDL. I would hope they have the time and patience to teach fundamentals there. It's truly (Please Use More Appropriate Word) the way the NBA shrinks from teaching/re-training fundamental skills with young players. They should take a hint from MLB. Then again, maybe the Celtics et. al. tried to teach Green, and he just wasn't mature enough or smart enough to learn. Then again, maybe the Celtics et. al. didn't realize that Green needed EXTRA teaching because he started playing basketball seriously so late in his life. I don't know.