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one thing that is missing from this Fisher debate is Fishers wife.
she is an LA native and her parents and brothers and sister and friends live in LA.
she had a full family support system already established in Los Angeles and that is a major reason why he chose to have his daugters treatment in LA.
call that a conspiracy if you must.
she is an LA native and her parents and brothers and sister and friends live in LA.
she had a full family support system already established in Los Angeles and that is a major reason why he chose to have his daugters treatment in LA.
call that a conspiracy if you must.
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Nate505 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
This is the comment I responded to:
Anyone who values basketball more than his own daughter's life is an idiot.
I'm glad Fish has his piece of mind. Good for him.
Right, and that quote does not imply "grave danger". He took less money to play for a worse team whose franchise was in flux.
The point is, its not about basketball. Its about whats important to Fish. It is more important to him that Tatum gets care at UCLA med center then many many other places in the country.
When you bring up basketball you are missing the point. His daugter is no longer in grave danger, but is in danger and he wants his daughter to have the best care he could give her and he wants to be right there with her.
Its that simple.
Basketball is an after thought, because I would do the same for any of my kids.
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Phil_2.0 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Right, and that quote does not imply "grave danger". He took less money to play for a worse team whose franchise was in flux.
The point is, its not about basketball. Its about whats important to Fish. It is more important to him that Tatum gets care at UCLA med center then many many other places in the country.
When you bring up basketball you are missing the point. His daugter is no longer in grave danger, but is in danger and he wants his daughter to have the best care he could give her and he wants to be right there with her.
Its that simple.
Basketball is an after thought, because I would do the same for any of my kids.
Fine. Wonderful.
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If I recall correctly, UCLA med center is where the freakin President of the United States gets evac'ed too if he is ever in need of emergency care. Saying that Seattle or Cleveland facilities are on par is...um...just not true.
If you have the money, you go to UCLA MC, PERIOD.
If you have the money, you go to UCLA MC, PERIOD.
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Nate505 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I have no problems with Fish leaving. But this myth that if Fish didn't move teams that his daughter's life would be in jeopardy is just wrong.
What moving did was enable Fish to spend more time with his daughter. Hey, that's great and important but it's not like his daughter wouldn't have got the same medical care if he would have stayed in Utah and played. It's not like his family couldn't have moved to LA or his daughter couldn't have flown to wherever she needed to go to get treatment.
Obviously you have never cared for a child or been married. You really think Fisher had the option of telling his wife: "Okay take the kids to L.A. and get the treatment for our daughter. I'll see you in a few months and let me know how the chemo goes". That is completely irrational. No man who loves his family can do that and still look at himself in the mirror. That is simply not an option to any good father or husband. You need to be there with them as much as possible, and Los Angeles was the best option for that to happen.
Your comment that his daughter's life was never in danger just shows how emotionally detached you are from the situation. When it's your own family member, everything changes. Eye cancers have a tendency to spread to the brain, and from there it can become terminal. Even if it's a 1% chance it might have spread to the brain (hypothetically), that would still scare the **** out of me if it were MY OWN daughter.
Use some logic here. Just try for one minute stepping into his shoes.
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eatyourchildren wrote:
What makes this hilarious is that Jazz fans will be so righteous as to defend Boozer's decision to defect from Cleveland.
Can we have some consistency here?
+1
Except, to take this one point further... didn't Fisher getting released from his contract cost him money? Boozer duped a blind man and ran for the money.
Utah fans have nothing to be complaining about when it comes to Fisher asking for a release from his contract.

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It's ridiculous how Utah Fans try to justify booing a man who has a daughter fighting cancer. This is probably the most disgusting act from any fans that I've ever witnessed or heard about. I'm sure they would Boo Magic Johnson too for being HIV positive if he appeared on their court to announce a game or something. It's despicable and you UTAH fans need to wake up and gain some perspective.
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JellosJigglin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Obviously you have never cared for a child or been married.
I have a son. And yes, I've never been married. So you're 1 for 2.
You really think Fisher had the option of telling his wife: "Okay take the kids to L.A. and get the treatment for our daughter. I'll see you in a few months and let me know how the chemo goes". That is completely irrational. No man who loves his family can do that and still look at himself in the mirror. That is simply not an option to any good father or husband. You need to be there with them as much as possible, and Los Angeles was the best option for that to happen.
If he wants to be there with his family as much as possible he would have retired. But I doubt that was necessary and I don't blame Fish for not wanting to retire. The man still has a few years of basketball left.
Your comment that his daughter's life was never in danger just shows how emotionally detached you are from the situation. When it's your own family member, everything changes. Eye cancers have a tendency to spread to the brain, and from there it can become terminal. Even if it's a 1% chance it might have spread to the brain (hypothetically), that would still scare the **** out of me if it were MY OWN daughter.
Use some logic here. Just try for one minute stepping into his shoes.
I never siad his daughter's life was never in danger. I said that it was a myth that if Fish had to move from Utah to save his daughter's life. I hope you can understand the difference between the two.
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Intensity wrote:It's ridiculous how Utah Fans try to justify booing a man who has a daughter fighting cancer. This is probably the most disgusting act from any fans that I've ever witnessed or heard about. I'm sure they would Boo Magic Johnson too for being HIV positive if he appeared on their court to announce a game or something. It's despicable and you UTAH fans need to wake up and gain some perspective.
Wow, what a great powerful paragraph of self-righteous anger.
I saulte you sir!
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Nate505 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I never siad his daughter's life was never in danger. I said that it was a myth that if Fish had to move from Utah to save his daughter's life. I hope you can understand the difference between the two.
Regardless of this 'myth', Fisher's choice to move to LA was a a justifiable, rational decision, and shouldn't be second-guessed to the degree that it was by the Utah Jazz fans in that first game.
Can everyone agree on that?
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I am just going to make a couple of comments.... one, I am glad that Fisher left.... we cleared some cap space for when Deron's extension kicks in and he was really really bad when he played here. Truthfully... he shot like -55% here and Sloan probably would have started him at the 2.
The only thing that gets me a little mad (though I wouldn't boo him) is the fact that it appears that Fisher had a deal w/ the lakers before we released him. Even Fisher's OWN agent said that they were talking to LA when he was still technically with Utah. And when the agent released that info Fisher fired him. That is what made Larry H Miller say that he will give Fish the benefit of the doubt but he does wonder at times if there were "ulterior motives."
BTW, when Fisher first came out and said that she needed to be treated in certain cities.... on the original list LA was NOT ONE of the cities.
But oh well... I don't really blame the fans that did Boo him, but I for one was ecstatic when he left.
The only thing that gets me a little mad (though I wouldn't boo him) is the fact that it appears that Fisher had a deal w/ the lakers before we released him. Even Fisher's OWN agent said that they were talking to LA when he was still technically with Utah. And when the agent released that info Fisher fired him. That is what made Larry H Miller say that he will give Fish the benefit of the doubt but he does wonder at times if there were "ulterior motives."
BTW, when Fisher first came out and said that she needed to be treated in certain cities.... on the original list LA was NOT ONE of the cities.
But oh well... I don't really blame the fans that did Boo him, but I for one was ecstatic when he left.
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Why boo a man who has a daughter fighting cancer? It's like kicking someone when they're down, lighting them on fire, then pissing on them to put it out.
It doesn't surprise me though. Utah as a state itself, is just abnormal. They're like America's step child that no one talks about and wish would leave them alone.
It doesn't surprise me though. Utah as a state itself, is just abnormal. They're like America's step child that no one talks about and wish would leave them alone.
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HawaiianJazzFan wrote:The only thing that gets me a little mad (though I wouldn't boo him) is the fact that it appears that Fisher had a deal w/ the lakers before we released him. Even Fisher's OWN agent said that they were talking to LA when he was still technically with Utah. And when the agent released that info Fisher fired him. That is what made Larry H Miller say that he will give Fish the benefit of the doubt but he does wonder at times if there were "ulterior motives."
That appears to be explained in the press release I posted earlier. THey agreed to release him, but there was a technical reason why they had to wait some period of time between the agreement and the actual release.
They announced the agreement to release him on July 2nd, the 2nd day of free agency. By league rules, he technically wasn't a free agent until July 11th. The agent was only doing his job trying to find his client work before teams signed other players. As it is, Fisher lost $8 million. Do you really think it ever entered his thought process - let's lie to the owner about my daughter's cancer so I can lose $8 million in salary?
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