When is someone a bust?

[Young_Star11]

And, with Bogut, he's being made to look back because MIL drafted on need and not BPA (clearly CP3).

Sad thing now is that they dealt away TJ Ford and see Mo Williams as half of their worries.

Bogut's going to be solid center for years to come, just not a franchise player. Was he ever going to be one? No.

[hoop_head]

It depends on the individual player, and the basketball position/situation.

[BobbySura]

Well Bogut played in the playoffs in his rookie year. If you're the first pick in a draft, then you're subjected to meet and/or exceed expectations. If Milwaukee can't even make the playoffs in a severely watered down EC, then I can't even imagine what their record would look like if they were relocated in the West. What is even worse is the fact that Bogut is supposed to be their franchise player. He is supposed to be their building block. He is supposed to be the man.

you seen that team they have around him?

michael chuckredd that plays no defense
mo zero defense williams
charlie has more hair than defense villanueva
bobby simmons? royal ivey? come on.

i think the video of him high fiving himself speaks for that team

[GSWFan7]

As a general rule of thumb, I would say around three years for a college player and four to five years for a high school player. This is just a rule of thumb though, everything is different depending on the situation. It is very possible that a player could play like a bust for over ten years and then excel if he is put into a certain situation that he feels comfortable in or emphasizes his strengths. Kind of like Steve Nash, although he wasn't considered a bust before he came to the Suns.

[CBS7]

On RealGM, after about 10 games.

More like, before they are even drafted.

[Optimism Prime]

-= original quote snipped =-



More like, before they are even drafted.

I'm officially declaring you a bust.

[tracey_nice]

When they are compared to Kwame Brown on the player comparison board.

[T-Spot]

When they are compared to Kwame Brown on the player comparison board.

When your fan base starts wishing you were as skilled Kwame Brown.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

I think there are two different issues here when you talk about the word "bust."

First, is the draft pick a bust? That is easier to determine. Someone who is picked very high in the draft needs to excel for the pick to be worth it. Hence, it is easy for a player to get overhyped, picked too high, and be labelled a bust because of where they were draft. The Celtics pick of Chauncey Billups was a busted lottery pick.

Second, is the player himself a bust? This takes more time. In looking at whether the player is an absolute bust or not, it shouldn't really matter where they were drafted. Billups stunk it up for the T-Wolves? Who cares. He is not a bust as a player. The pick for Diop was a total reject for the Cavs as a lottery selection but the guy is a quality role player in the league who is an asset to a team. A player doesn't control where he is taken so I don't see why someone should be a bust as a player because they were taken at #5 but not a bust had they been taken at #15. All there really needs to be is an expectation that the player will be a contributor and pretty much all first round picks meet that criteria. In that context, I look for players who had the expectation of being contributors when they were drafted but after they actually play they contribute so little on the floor that teams view the player as nearly worthless. A player like Shawn Respert meets both definitions.

[chrbal]

There is no real "time line" because there are so many different situations.

In 1994, Sharone Wright and Eric Montross took a couple seasons. But Yinka Dare was a bust the moment the regular season started.

In 1996, Erick Dampier seemed like he would be a bust...but managed to get traded and had a really good 2nd season.

So long story short, some guys its their rookie year and some guys you need to see 2 or 3 years.

Heck, people still believed in Nikoloz Tskisthvili after his rookie year.

[L&H_05]

Soft European seven footer for 1000, Alex..

[jab]

I think there are two different issues here when you talk about the word "bust."

First, is the draft pick a bust? That is easier to determine. Someone who is picked very high in the draft needs to excel for the pick to be worth it. Hence, it is easy for a player to get overhyped, picked too high, and be labelled a bust because of where they were draft. The Celtics pick of Chauncey Billups was a busted lottery pick.

Second, is the player himself a bust? This takes more time. In looking at whether the player is an absolute bust or not, it shouldn't really matter where they were drafted. Billups stunk it up for the T-Wolves? Who cares. He is not a bust as a player. The pick for Diop was a total reject for the Cavs as a lottery selection but the guy is a quality role player in the league who is an asset to a team. A player doesn't control where he is taken so I don't see why someone should be a bust as a player because they were taken at #5 but not a bust had they been taken at #15. All there really needs to be is an expectation that the player will be a contributor and pretty much all first round picks meet that criteria. In that context, I look for players who had the expectation of being contributors when they were drafted but after they actually play they contribute so little on the floor that teams view the player as nearly worthless. A player like Shawn Respert meets both definitions.

This is not the week for me to get into the Chauncey Billups story but I was just wondering if you were aware of Shawn Respert's unknown health issues when he was drafted? Not trying to be confrontational but just wondering if Bust is the correct analysis for Shawn.

[chrbal]

Shawn Respert, bust. Hell no.

Had he been healthy, I think he would've turned into a backup 'tweener guard....which would've probably led to him becoming a bust, but not as it wound being.

Billups as a Wolve, bust. Are you kidding me???

It was Orlando, idiot...and even there that was only because he wound up never playing for them. His play with the Timberwolves is what set him to become a Piston. That and the Wolves wanting to stick with Terrel Brandon.

[Hard2dhole]

Some players are not even labelled as busts until they change teams. If they leave a team that uses them to thier full potential and then move to a team where they languish at the end of the pine or the new coach doesn't know how to use them, they have gone from productive contributors to bust real fast.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

Shawn Respert, bust. Hell no.

Had he been healthy, I think he would've turned into a backup 'tweener guard....which would've probably led to him becoming a bust, but not as it wound being.

I didn't recall the Respert health issues. Feel free to replace him with someone like Skita or Mark Macon.

Billups as a Wolve, bust. Are you kidding me???

It was Orlando, idiot.

Billups has never played a game for Orlando in his entire career and you are calling me an idiot? He was drafted by Rick Pitino in Boston and went through tenures in Toronto, Denver and then (for the longest stretch in his career to date) in Minnesota. Minnesota didn't value him enough to try to resign him for even mid-level exception value.

..and even there that was only because he wound up never playing for them. His play with the Timberwolves is what set him to become a Piston. That and the Wolves wanting to stick with Terrel Brandon.

WHAT??? Minny didn't keep him so they could stick with Terrell Brandon? WTF are you talking about? Brandon was placed on injured reserve in February 2002 and never played another game in his career. Chauncey Billups was made the starter with the T-Wolves shortly before Brandon's playing career was done on 2/4/02 and you think they wanted to stick with Brandon as their starting PG? Where are you coming from?