Amare Stoudemire..
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Amare improved his defense this year. He still has a ways to go but he made big time strides this year. He was back to his old form and arguably better this season.
2nd most efficient player in the league this year.
Suns lost because of that terrible trade for Shaq.
Their record was mediocre after that trade and it was exposed in the playoffs , same as the Kidd trade.
2nd most efficient player in the league this year.
Suns lost because of that terrible trade for Shaq.
Their record was mediocre after that trade and it was exposed in the playoffs , same as the Kidd trade.
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If anything Amare improved what he does on blocking shots, and I'd say he did from past years... but nothing else. Literally only a certain bunch of times of playing effective positional defense over the season? That doesn't mean anything because of the collectivity of his defense.
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_BBIB_ wrote:Amare improved his defense this year. He still has a ways to go but he made big time strides this year. He was back to his old form and arguably better this season.
2nd most efficient player in the league this year.
Uhh what? How exactly did Amare improve his defense? did you just look at blocks per game?
Suns lost because of that terrible trade for Shaq.
Their record was mediocre after that trade and it was exposed in the playoffs , same as the Kidd trade.
Well, if Amare had played even decent defense, do you think they would trade away Marion for Shaq?
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Clearly his defense was Phoenix's problem. That's why San Antonio ran pick and roll with WHOEVER Shaq and Nash were guarding and Tony Parker completely, single handedly abused Phoenix to the tune of 30 PPG. Tony Parker is a 15 ppg scorer. And Phoenix got destroyed by him. What was Amare supposed to do about him?
Kurt Thomas shot THIRTY SEVEN percent for the series, and Duncan shot 49%. Those were the two guys Amare guarded this series. He did his job. And at the end of games five and one he had some monstrous, game changing defensive plays, but no one remembers that because of Nash and Diaw's respective choke jobs.
He is what he is, he's not a high IQ player like Duncan but he is a huge scoring force. Enough to carry a team with the right semi-stars around him. Shooters, a smart pick and roll point guard and a team and a coach dedicated to defense and he could head a dominant team, no question.
Kurt Thomas shot THIRTY SEVEN percent for the series, and Duncan shot 49%. Those were the two guys Amare guarded this series. He did his job. And at the end of games five and one he had some monstrous, game changing defensive plays, but no one remembers that because of Nash and Diaw's respective choke jobs.
He is what he is, he's not a high IQ player like Duncan but he is a huge scoring force. Enough to carry a team with the right semi-stars around him. Shooters, a smart pick and roll point guard and a team and a coach dedicated to defense and he could head a dominant team, no question.
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I disagree... not with the title, I agree that there are other guys who are more worthy of the title "best offensive PF," but with the contention that it's a failing of Amare's that he's not more versatile offensively.
You put Amare on a team coached by an Xs-and-Os guy who likes bigs (e.g. Iavaroni), you'll see what I'm talking about. Even under D'Antoni, Amare scores in so many different ways from so many spots that you can do just fine building an offense around him.
His offensive repertoire wouldn't worry me; I'd be concerned about his passing because we've never seen him in a position to show whether he can/will do it well and I'd be concerned from an overall team POV about his mercilessly poor defense but never about his ability to score or function as the #1 option on a team.
There are numerous players who are superior scorers in terms of offensive versatility but that primarily rests on a three-point shot and/or the evidence of passing skill they exhibit in systems designed to emphasize their involvement outside of finishing.
Amare's the James Worthy of the Suns, in a way, he has very specific roles and tasks, and though he isos more than Worthy did even late in his career, he's still not being asked to play the way Dirk is or Garnett is or whomever, you follow?
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eatyourchildren wrote:TSherk, my contention isn't that Amare isn't a capable scorer, but that he's not that close to being able to claim the title of "best offensive PF" in the game, even though there have been more than a few people saying it without hesitation. Yeah, he scores a lot, but he doesn't score the ball in as many ways as the other top tier PF's, which is important when you become the focal point of an offense.
I disagree... not with the title, I agree that there are other guys who are more worthy of the title "best offensive PF," but with the contention that it's a failing of Amare's that he's not more versatile offensively.
You put Amare on a team coached by an Xs-and-Os guy who likes bigs (e.g. Iavaroni), you'll see what I'm talking about. Even under D'Antoni, Amare scores in so many different ways from so many spots that you can do just fine building an offense around him.
His offensive repertoire wouldn't worry me; I'd be concerned about his passing because we've never seen him in a position to show whether he can/will do it well and I'd be concerned from an overall team POV about his mercilessly poor defense but never about his ability to score or function as the #1 option on a team.
There are numerous players who are superior scorers in terms of offensive versatility but that primarily rests on a three-point shot and/or the evidence of passing skill they exhibit in systems designed to emphasize their involvement outside of finishing.
Amare's the James Worthy of the Suns, in a way, he has very specific roles and tasks, and though he isos more than Worthy did even late in his career, he's still not being asked to play the way Dirk is or Garnett is or whomever, you follow?
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