Joe Johnson

enigmatics · Post #81 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 12:42 am

eatyourchildren wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're wrong. New York has gotten sick of their Knicks and would LOVE to have the Nets in Brooklyn if LeBron headlined it.

Brooklyn is as much NYC as Manhattan is. So is the Bronx--you know, where the Yankees play.

You went out and polled the NYC public?

eatyourchildren · Post #82 » by **eatyourchildren** » Sun May 4, 2008 12:45 am

enigmatics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You went out and polled the NYC public?

I know enough to know that it's not "never the wiser business decision." If the deal for the arena succeeds, it's a ripe market for LeBron. You make seem as if Brooklyn is out in the boonies. It's not, it's a 5 minute C train away.

enigmatics · Post #83 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 12:52 am

eatyourchildren wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I know enough to know that it's not "never the wiser business decision." If the deal for the arena succeeds, it's a ripe market for LeBron. You make seem as if Brooklyn is out in the boonies. It's not, it's a 5 minute C train away.

I think you have quickly forgotten Isiah Thomas has been jettisoned. Knicks fans are some of the most loyal and dedicated fans as you will find. Comparing a Brooklyn-based Nets team to the Knicks would be like comparing the Mets to the Yankees in the overall financial perspective of that city.

NetsForce · Post #84 » by **NetsForce** » Sun May 4, 2008 12:53 am

In all honesty I doubt Lebron leaves Cleveland, but if Lebron decides to come to New York he'll have to decide whether he wants to BE Brooklyn or BE PART OF New York City.

_BBIB_ · Post #85 » by **_BBIB_** » Sun May 4, 2008 1:02 am

NetsForce wrote:In all honesty I doubt Lebron leaves Cleveland, but if Lebron decides to come to New York he'll have to decide whether he wants to BE Brooklyn or BE PART OF New York City.

And exactly what the hell does that have to do with Joe Johnson?

Gotta love how people derail threads that are Hawks related

eatyourchildren · Post #86 » by **eatyourchildren** » Sun May 4, 2008 1:04 am

enigmatics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think you have quickly forgotten Isiah Thomas has been jettisoned. Knicks fans are some of the most loyal and dedicated fans as you will find. Comparing a Brooklyn-based Nets team to the Knicks would be like comparing the Mets to the Yankees in the overall financial perspective of that city.

I think you have quickly forgotten the pervasive and deep-seeded damage that Isiah Thomas has done to that franchise. The Mets didn't enter the NYC sports scene at the lowest point in Yankees history. That's essentially what the Nets would be doing relative to the Knicks.

enigmatics · Post #87 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 1:11 am

eatyourchildren wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think you have quickly forgotten the pervasive and deep-seeded damage that Isiah Thomas has done to that franchise. The Mets didn't enter the NYC sports scene at the lowest point in Yankees history. That's essentially what the Nets would be doing relative to the Knicks.

Why don't you go Poll the Knicks board if you're so confident they've all completely abandoned the Knicks, waiting in their fox holes for the supposed 2010 inception of the Brooklyn Nets. Celtics fans didn't seem to lose their passion for the Celts the past couple of years and it's a very similiarly passionate fan-base.

EDIT: I did it for you. I'm curious to see how the Knicks board votes.

enigmatics · Post #88 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 8:00 pm

eatyourchildren wrote:I think you have quickly forgotten the pervasive and deep-seeded damage that Isiah Thomas has done to that franchise. The Mets didn't enter the NYC sports scene at the lowest point in Yankees history. That's essentially what the Nets would be doing relative to the Knicks.

Just thought I'd share some of the preliminary results with you.....

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=786621

An overwhelming 89% think you're insane.

NetsForce · Post #89 » by **NetsForce** » Sun May 4, 2008 8:04 pm

Think about the logic of what you did. You asked Knicks fans on an online message board if they'd ever consider being a Nets fan.

enigmatics · Post #90 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 10:06 pm

NetsForce wrote:Think about the logic of what you did. You asked Knicks fans on an online message board if they'd ever consider being a Nets fan.

So I should go ask non-Knick fans? :crazy:

The man said most of the Knicks fan base was pushed beyond the point of return by the damage Isiah has done. The poll was straight forward, and as of last check, there were 4 who said they would switch allegiances. Unfortunately for a certain Laker fan, he simply has no idea what he's talking about the the Knicks fans were quick to assert that.

Pats19andO · Post #91 » by **Pats19andO** » Sun May 4, 2008 10:28 pm

enigmatics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Nets have a future? What future? R

...........and for all of Sarvers mistakes, let's not be a hypocrite .......what exactly has Rod Thorn done to set the NBA on fire with his personnel moves with the Nets? Give me a break.

Well, the Nets have Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, Devin Harris, Josh Boone, Kristic, plus a lottery pick this year and a pretty attractive Mavs pick in 2010

What has Thorn Done? Traded Stephon for JKidd,then traded Kidd for Devin Harris and others. He got Vince for 5 cents on the dollar, traded Eddie Griffin for RJ, then signed Griffin 2 years later. Made the Finals 2 years straight, something the suns were unable to do with a far greater team.

NetsForce · Post #92 » by **NetsForce** » Sun May 4, 2008 10:33 pm

enigmatics wrote:So I should go ask non-Knick fans?

The man said most of the Knicks fan base was pushed beyond the point of return by the damage Isiah has done. The poll was straight forward, and as of last check, there were 4 who said they would switch allegiances. Unfortunately for a certain Laker fan, he simply has no idea what he's talking about the the Knicks fans were quick to assert that.

What I'm getting at is that the majority (if not virtually all) of Knicks fans who are here on RealGM posting on the Knicks board, are diehard Knicks fans.

If they weren't they wouldn't have gone out of their way to do something as "nerdy" as posting on an internet forum. :wink:

enigmatics · Post #93 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 11:43 pm

Pats19andO wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, the Nets have Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, Devin Harris, Josh Boone, Kristic, plus a lottery pick this year and a pretty attractive Mavs pick in 2010

What has Thorn Done? Traded Stephon for JKidd,then traded Kidd for Devin Harris and others. He got Vince for 5 cents on the dollar, traded Eddie Griffin for RJ, then signed Griffin 2 years later. Made the Finals 2 years straight, something the suns were unable to do with a far greater team.

Marcus Williams and most of the supporting cast that's still under contract is on the trading block. Thorn has indicated as much. Only Harris, Boone, and VC are being mentioned as staying. They're a ways away and aren't even in the same discussion as the Suns, regardless of another failed championship attempt.

enigmatics · Post #94 » by **enigmatics** » Sun May 4, 2008 11:46 pm

NetsForce wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What I'm getting at is that the majority (if not virtually all) of Knicks fans who are here on RealGM posting on the Knicks board, are diehard Knicks fans.

If they weren't they wouldn't have gone out of their way to do something as "nerdy" as posting on an internet forum.

I knew you were going to say that.......but the fact that people have voted they'd switch, shows that it's not die-hard only.

.......and what about NY fanhood has indicated that most of those people are anything less than diehard? NY fans are easily some of the most dedicated in all of sports. If you haven't learned that yet, then I don't know which NY people you're watching when it comes to they and their fanhood.

TAI8 · Post #95 » by **TAI8** » Mon May 5, 2008 3:13 am

kp117 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Have you seen Scottie Pippen career "objective statistics" They are certainly not Top 50. You just digg yourself a deeper hole by being a stat geek.

Scottie Pippen = 17.5 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 44% fg, 30% 3pfg, 72% ft

So yeah, GTFOH with your stat sheet.

Listen. I know you're too busy sucking on Johnson's balls, but pretend like you know anything about basketball for a second. You're comparing Johnson to one of the 50 Greatest Players of All-Time and their impact to their respective teams. This is a horrible example.

Johnson is a good player, but stop overrating him. I know that he is a good player. Stats don't reveal the entire story. I know. He is on the same level as Rip, Redd, Richardson, etc. He is a good SG. He can score, shoot, rebound, pass, defend, everything you want in a SG. The ASG is a horrible argument. Carter had a severe drop and an atrocious start. Redd was losing. He made it because the Hawks were surprisingly in the run for the postseason simultaneously when the coaches voted for the bench and he was the only viable G at the time. He is not the superstar that you think he is. If he was a superstar his team would not fail to make the playoffs in the leastern conference with all of their talent. They have a bright future ahead of them.

Bucs80 · Post #96 » by **Bucs80** » Mon May 5, 2008 3:21 am

What do i think of Joe Johnson?

In the great words of Dennis Green, he is what I thought he was and they,boston, let him off the hook!!!!!!!!!

kp117 · Post #97 » by **kp117** » Mon May 5, 2008 8:18 am

TAI8 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Listen. I know you're too busy sucking on Johnson's balls, but pretend like you know anything about basketball for a second. You're comparing Johnson to one of the 50 Greatest Players of All-Time and their impact to their respective teams. This is a horrible example.

I put pippen's stats up not for comaparison purposes. But to expose your flawed stat geekness. At first you say....

I never thought about that. Subjective bias is more accurate than objective statistics

Then you backpeddle with...

Stats don't reveal the entire story. I know.

Joe Johnson is more skilled than any of those gaurds you mentioned. (including Carter) Its because you're a know-nothing stat geek that you cant see it.