Not to beat a dead horse...

[technologic]

Kidd foul was worse. You people are too easily influenced by commentating. Why the hell did Doug Collins say Kidd was going for the ball?

Agree. If Pargo didn't use superreflexes to put his hands down, it would have been neckover.

[celticfan42487]

Intent matters, always has.

Usually the diffrence between a flagrant 1 and 2 is intent. And players usually intend to make a basketball play instead of a wrap up in mid-air. Doing what Marv did was not only dangerous for Rondo's career but also for the immediate future of Marv, he could of easiely came down and rolled over his ankle taken him out for the next week and a half.

[Devin 1L]

Intent matters, always has.

Usually the diffrence between a flagrant 1 and 2 is intent. And players usually intend to make a basketball play instead of a wrap up in mid-air. Doing what Marv did was not only dangerous for Rondo's career but also for the immediate future of Marv, he could of easiely came down and rolled over his ankle taken him out for the next week and a half.

See, I actually agree with this; however, Ronnie Nunn used to always claim that intent does not matter, only what actually occurs.

I have to assume that this only applies when a player didn't intend to do something, but inadvertently did, and not when a player does intend to do something, but doesn't actually execute.

For example:

1. Accidental hard foul which results on a player landing flat on his back. It's clear that the player did not intend to do this, but because of the results, the intent is ignored and the result is what matters.

vs.

2. Mid-play, off the ball, a player obviously intentionally swings an elbow at another player who isn't looking, but narrowly misses. Do the refs ignore this because there was no results? No, intent, in this case, does matter.


For the record, I was rooting for the Hawks to win (not a Hawks fan though), but I feel the right call was made in the Williams/Rondo situation.

[damo[23]]

Oddly enough while Marvins was more intentional I'd rather take that than the Kidd one, I mean that was immensely dangerous flipping a guy by his neck.

Marvins intentions were way worse, he did just try and hammer the guy, but Kidd I think could have ended up so much worse, even though he went for the ball clearly.